Serie A: Palermo vs Juventus [April 6th, 2008] (12 Viewers)

[mondo1]

why??? what about tiago, even nocerino!!!

i still think tiago did great with sissoko....
it didn't worked with noce next to him against empoli i think...
so sissoko tiago would be great... as long as sali is not playing i'm happy

 

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[Alen]

Salihamidzic it will be.
After Nedved-Sissoko-Camo-Sali quartet worked well and actually outplayed Inter, i don't see Ranieri changing anything. And frankly, i don't see why should he.

Of course, every match and every team is different and perhaps Palermo's 5 men midfield will require some changes in our formation also, but this time i believe we'll see the mentioned 4 in our midfield.

 

[CalcioJuventus]

Salihamidzic it will be.
After Nedved-Sissoko-Camo-Sali quartet worked well and actually outplayed Inter, i don't see Ranieri changing anything. And frankly, i don't see why should he.

Of course, every match and every team is different and perhaps Palermo's 5 men midfield will require some changes in our formation also, but this time i believe we'll see the mentioned 4 in our midfield.

yeah we should give Sali a proper run in his favored position, plus Camo is awesome in CM.

I don't think we will have a problem with a 5 man mid. Palermo are broken right now and we will more than likely roll over them. They are demoralized garbage at the moment and are missing some key players.

int:

 

[Alen]

yeah we should give Sali a proper run in his favored position, plus Camo is awesome in CM.

I don't think we will have a problem with a 5 man mid. Palermo are broken right now and we will more than likely roll over them. They are demoralized garbage at the moment and are missing some key players.

int:

In Turin they came with a more defensive 4-5-1 line up and we literally destroyed them.
Back then we started with a combative and working midfield (Nedved-Noce-Zanetti-Camo) , with Iaquinta putting more pressure up front.

This time they wouldn't have started with 4-5-1 but they don't have a choice. Brienza left them while Miccolli and Cavani are injured. Again they'll have to play 4-5-1 and again they'll be led by the man whose last match was that 0:5 defeat in Turin.
The players from Palermo are already used to the frequent changes of their managers and this latest change probably won't affect them too much. But it certainly won't pass unnoticed and it adds to the already existing problems. Bad results, bad displays, internal problems with the managers, pressure from Zamparini, injury problems, the shame from the 0:5 defeat in Turin and even that (painfull) defeat from the last round when a 90 minute goal from Hamsik ruined a solid performance and took a deserved point away from Palermo.
As you rightfully said, they are demoralized and we must take an advantage of their situation.

 

[Omair]

Allen .. you're such an opportunist ..

yes i agree should be an easier than usual Palermo .. I am sure we can pull a win

 

[Daddi]

We will win this game. No worries. Trezeguet will score 2 goals and Buffon will not allow any ball to go in.

 

[Salvo]

conte's response to miccolli's outburst about being "marginalized" at juve

Conte had harsh words towards Miccoli as he responded to the insinuation of the Palermo player, who had declared that he told him to join Alessandro Moggi's agency prior to joining Juventus.

"He's a low level player," attacked the former midfielder. "I already replied on this issue to those I had to reply to.

"For me in football there are footballers and players," he continued. "Zidane and Del Piero are footballers. Miccoli is a low level player.

"If he had a head as good as his feet, he would have been a good player, but instead...

"Miccoli also has a poor memory: he forgot when he invited me to dinner with his agent to talk about this matter," concluded Conte.

FORZA CONTE! :flag:

 

[RAMI-N]

conte's response to miccolli's outburst about being "marginalized" at juve




FORZA CONTE! :flag:

Conte is da man :flag2:

 

[DelpieroForLife]

FORZA Capitano.

 

[juventus1897]

Predicted midfield by channel 4:

Nedved-----Sissoko-----Sali :groan:---Camoranesi

Brazzo is a great player, kinda like Gattuso, but a little more on the attacking side. I also think that this is the best Midfield we have at the moment, considering everone's current form (leaving Tiago and Noce on the bench).

 

[Lion]

In Turin they came with a more defensive 4-5-1 line up and we literally destroyed them.
Back then we started with a combative and working midfield (Nedved-Noce-Zanetti-Camo) , with Iaquinta putting more pressure up front.

This time they wouldn't have started with 4-5-1 but they don't have a choice. Brienza left them while Miccolli and Cavani are injured. Again they'll have to play 4-5-1 and again they'll be led by the man whose last match was that 0:5 defeat in Turin.
The players from Palermo are already used to the frequent changes of their managers and this latest change probably won't affect them too much. But it certainly won't pass unnoticed and it adds to the already existing problems. Bad results, bad displays, internal problems with the managers, pressure from Zamparini, injury problems, the shame from the 0:5 defeat in Turin and even that (painfull) defeat from the last round when a 90 minute goal from Hamsik ruined a solid performance and took a deserved point away from Palermo.
As you rightfully said, they are demoralized and we must take an advantage of their situation.

and this time Palermo's midfield has a bigger problem to deal with than all those issues. The Black Ninja.

 

[Dominic]

The big advantage of having Camo in the middle is that our best player gets more(or the most) touches and he is able to positively influence the teamplay in it's entirety much more, whereas on the right Camo does tend to somewhat play his own matches.

That and having a creative midfielder(Camo in this case) in the middle allows Sissoko to express himself better.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

there have been many instances when that didnt work

 

[cunninlynguists]

Brazzo is a great player, kinda like Gattuso, but a little more on the attacking side. I also think that this is the best Midfield we have at the moment, considering everone's current form (leaving Tiago and Noce on the bench).

Salih is great, but the fact is that he hasn't proved himself in Juve yet.
I hope it comes fast though, he's a fucking Bosnian in Juve

 

[Azzurri7]

Good to hear from Conte

 

[juventus1897]

Salih is great, but the fact is that he hasn't proved himself in Juve yet.
I hope it comes fast though, he's a fucking Bosnian in Juve

I agree that he hasn't had his great breakthough yet, but I would argue that he is a subtle player. Only because he isn't getting alot of attention doesn't necessarily mean that he is underperforming. I still think that he has been doing a good job so far, and more importantly has alot of determination, which is visible every time he is on the pitch. With that kind of determination, he will surely reach a great form sooner or later, as long as he gets sufficient playing time. But I don't think that will become a problem considering our rather limited alternatives.

I really can't believe people are starting to ask for Tiago. He's been the biggest flop ever, I've only seen one decent game from him since his arrival, and that wasn't his most recent game, so I don't think there's anything that would warrant a starting position for him.

Seriously, I'm all for second chances, but every second chance for Tiago turned out as a completely wasted half so far. Unless he's a totally different player during training sessions, I'd say let him sit on the bench and hope someone will pick him up during the summer.

 

[tassard]

Good to hear from Conte

Yeah, Conte said some bad words about Juve last year, but I think he was really angry that Arezzo relegated so he didn't really mean these.
He remains a club legend

 

[beemoeasy]

I agree that he hasn't had his great breakthough yet, but I would argue that he is a subtle player. Only because he isn't getting alot of attention doesn't necessarily mean that he is underperforming. I still think that he has been doing a good job so far, and more importantly has alot of determination, which is visible every time he is on the pitch. With that kind of determination, he will surely reach a great form sooner or later, as long as he gets sufficient playing time. But I don't think that will become a problem considering our rather limited alternatives.

I really can't believe people are starting to ask for Tiago. He's been the biggest flop ever, I've only seen one decent game from him since his arrival, and that wasn't his most recent game, so I don't think there's anything that would warrant a starting position for him.

Seriously, I'm all for second chances, but every second chance for Tiago turned out as a completely wasted half so far. Unless he's a totally different player during training sessions, I'd say let him sit on the bench and hope someone will pick him up during the summer.

well nedved underperformed for the first half of first year, and thuram took a whole year to settle.

juve have a record of expecting people to perform immediately (almiron got like 5 starts). tiago is of a proven quality, he was good for chelsea, everyone knows he has great potential. he just needs to show it consistently on the pitch.

he wont do that sitting on the bench. if he plays he will surely improve and will be a very very good midfielder for us.

plus we spent so much money we need to take care of our investments.

 

[tassard]

well nedved underperformed for the first half of first year, and thuram took a whole year to settle.

juve have a record of expecting people to perform immediately (almiron got like 5 starts). tiago is of a proven quality, he was good for chelsea, everyone knows he has great potential. he just needs to show it consistently on the pitch.

he wont do that sitting on the bench. if he plays he will surely improve and will be a very very good midfielder for us.

plus we spent so much money we need to take care of our investments.

Nedved was one of Lazio best players and Thuram was already a world champion when we bought them.
As for now Nedved is far more than proven in Juve than Almiron or Tiago.
So a course of bad performances doesn't mean anything about Pavel.
We all know how influental is for the team.
On the other hand, we do not know how well Tiago and Almiron could play in THIS Juve.
And this is the worst year for experiments...
We are back from the serie B, and we want to prove something so we expect instant succes.This can not be done with experiments.
For example imagine if Almiron, Tiago, Criscito were in the team against Inter in Meazza.We would have lost 3-0.
This is the bad thing about the current Juve team.There is not time for experiments, and the new players must grab the chances they get.
Iaquinta and Sissoko did that and in the same time Almiron and Tiago didn't.
This is why we need proven footballers...

 

[beemoeasy]

Nedved was one of Lazio best players and Thuram was already a world champion when we bought them.
As for now Nedved is far more than proven in Juve than Almiron or Tiago.
So a course of bad performances doesn't mean anything about Pavel.
We all know how influental is for the team.
On the other hand, we do not know how well Tiago and Almiron could play in THIS Juve.
And this is the worst year for experiments...
We are back from the serie B, and we want to prove something so we expect instant succes.This can not be done with experiments.
For example imagine if Almiron, Tiago, Criscito were in the team against Inter in Meazza.We would have lost 3-0.
This is the bad thing about the current Juve team.There is not time for experiments, and the new players must grab the chances they get.
Iaquinta and Sissoko did that and in the same time Almiron and Tiago didn't.
This is why we need proven footballers...

no im saying nedved and thuram underperformed initially for juve. we did not know how well they would play in THAT juve either, but we kept faith in them. because you cant expect every player to play to their best straight away. kaka needed a whole season to adjust to life in serie a!

tiago is clearly suffering from a lack of confidence - thats the only explanation as to why he misplaced passes in his last game. plus he was alongside zanetti/nocerino i think, which does not suit him.

and i think we are in a great time to experiment. champions league football is basically secured and we are against a weakened palermo team. in the next few years when we establish our dominance THEN we wont be able to experiment, because we'll have more to lose.

we beat inter with molinaro, sali, grygera and legro in the team. how many of those players are where they are now because we experimented/gave them a second chance? how many people wanted legro to be sold, and now look at how good a defender he is.