Well, it seems to have deserted us big time!
We are looking at a serious crisis here you know!
We are looking at a serious crisis here you know!
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A team crisis? No -- I wouldn't go that far yet. An offensive crisis? You bet. Since at least before the break against teams like Lecce and Bologna.
I don't quite buy the whole Capello bashing approach on this either. It was disheartening to me to see that Juve did not pour on any attack to claw back into the Palermo match as they did against Sampdoria a few days before (as if we were hoping to just draw at best and gave up on winning).
But Capello has shown he can successfully manage a squad with a trident attack, etc. So when I think about our offensive troubles, I have look at the team make-up at least as much as how it is coached per se.
I do think the whole benched DP thing is becoming a detraction and irritant for the team and all its fans. Whatever the resolution, that needs to go away.
I don't quite buy the whole Capello bashing approach on this either. It was disheartening to me to see that Juve did not pour on any attack to claw back into the Palermo match as they did against Sampdoria a few days before (as if we were hoping to just draw at best and gave up on winning).
But Capello has shown he can successfully manage a squad with a trident attack, etc. So when I think about our offensive troubles, I have look at the team make-up at least as much as how it is coached per se.
I do think the whole benched DP thing is becoming a detraction and irritant for the team and all its fans. Whatever the resolution, that needs to go away.
Yes, I agree with you in saying that we have a major crisis on our hands in an attacking sense, and it has been a long time coming. All the 1-0 victories in the Champions League are not funny any more.
The problem against Palermo was a total lack of determination. I don't understand. It was almost as if the entire team had bought the idea that since Milan had had a 2 game loosing streak, then Juve must have theirs. It was sickening
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He showed that he can successfully manage trident attacks at Roma, I don't recall him doing it at either Milan or Madrid, but all that is ancient history. The point is that he tried it against Sampdoria, and it failed, and if memory serves me correctly, that's the only time he has tried it all season. I think that our attacking problem has a lot to do with personnel. We don't have the personnel for a trident attack. Zlatan holds on to the ball a trifle too much, Trez is just your old fashioned centre forward who will not contribute much to team play as demanded by a trident, and DP simply doesn't cut it on a consistent basis any more.
To all those crying out about DP being benched, remember one thing: we are not on the training ground, it is the staff and player that are. We don't see what they see. A nice parallel to that issue is one that was a major flash point here in Nigeria: Kanu is probably Nigeria's best loved footballer ever, not even Okocha can match the sheer love that people have for Kanu. When his Arsenal career was winding down, a lot of Nigerians were convinced that Wegner is a racist or something because 'we know what Kanu's capable of!'
That is shyte. Look at the man at West Brom now!
And it is exactly the same scenario with DP. I know what DP's capable of. Andy, Swag, Burke, Jeeks and all those in the "anti-DP camp" know what DP's capable of. But the truth is that he has not nearly even began to live up to his potential this season. Against Sampdoria he didn't cut it. Against Atalanta, except for that penalty, was he really a force on the pitch? My answer's NO!
Like I said earlier, I find it annoying that we have a group of fans that are hollering about DP's 'misfortune' instead of hollering about Juve. Fvck you all!
The problem against Palermo was a total lack of determination. I don't understand. It was almost as if the entire team had bought the idea that since Milan had had a 2 game loosing streak, then Juve must have theirs. It was sickening
.He showed that he can successfully manage trident attacks at Roma, I don't recall him doing it at either Milan or Madrid, but all that is ancient history. The point is that he tried it against Sampdoria, and it failed, and if memory serves me correctly, that's the only time he has tried it all season. I think that our attacking problem has a lot to do with personnel. We don't have the personnel for a trident attack. Zlatan holds on to the ball a trifle too much, Trez is just your old fashioned centre forward who will not contribute much to team play as demanded by a trident, and DP simply doesn't cut it on a consistent basis any more.
To all those crying out about DP being benched, remember one thing: we are not on the training ground, it is the staff and player that are. We don't see what they see. A nice parallel to that issue is one that was a major flash point here in Nigeria: Kanu is probably Nigeria's best loved footballer ever, not even Okocha can match the sheer love that people have for Kanu. When his Arsenal career was winding down, a lot of Nigerians were convinced that Wegner is a racist or something because 'we know what Kanu's capable of!'
That is shyte. Look at the man at West Brom now!
And it is exactly the same scenario with DP. I know what DP's capable of. Andy, Swag, Burke, Jeeks and all those in the "anti-DP camp" know what DP's capable of. But the truth is that he has not nearly even began to live up to his potential this season. Against Sampdoria he didn't cut it. Against Atalanta, except for that penalty, was he really a force on the pitch? My answer's NO!
Like I said earlier, I find it annoying that we have a group of fans that are hollering about DP's 'misfortune' instead of hollering about Juve. Fvck you all!
Nah Andy, yeah Dp is one of the reasons i Admit, But i also Dislike Capello for changing Nedved's roll, I also Blame Capello for Zambrotta's recent bad matches...I also Blame Capello because our asses is gonna be kicked out of the CL if we continue with his stupid tactics....
Forget Dp for a while, look at other problems we have, two of them i just mentioned them above....we'll have alot of problems with Capello IF he doesn't change and i don't mean Dp, I mean in General...Everything should be change and he better change them NOW....
Forget Dp for a while, look at other problems we have, two of them i just mentioned them above....we'll have alot of problems with Capello IF he doesn't change and i don't mean Dp, I mean in General...Everything should be change and he better change them NOW....
Top post, Denco. I've been saying all of the above for a long time now, bar the part about Olivera. Trezeguet is arguably the worst team player ever but for some reason DP takes a great deal of the criticism that he deserves to be getting. He does absolutely nothing for this side apart from score goals, and as important as goals are, he needs to do more. This has been confirmed in the last couple of games where Trez has been invisible and only made things harder for his teammates. When top strikers don't score they should at least make space for the players around them, but Trezeguet doesn't which is why he isn't even close to being a top striker in my books. I'm keen to see what Capello does in the coming weeks in regards to squad selection.
Del Piero played better in the first half against Sampdoria, whereas Trezeguet has been invisible for the past few matches. The annoying thing about a player like Trezeguet though, is that the necessity for a pure goalscorer dictates that even though he's a ghost on the pitch, he has to be given match time to produce anything of use :groan: As everyone knows, there are great goalscorers like Shevchenko who get involved in the play as well as banging in the goals, but unfortunately we don't have one of those players, and until we do, I think we need to hold onto Trezeguet to take advantage of the 1 or 2 opportunites that fall to him.
As for Zlatan, I don't see how anyone who saw the difference he made in the second half against Sampdoria can say that he hasn't justified his selection for the next match. We were absolutely shite in the first half, and though some people might say that our overall tactics and the presence of three forwards in the formation contributed to the number of chances he had, it was clear for all to see that Zlatan created pretty much every single one of his chances out of nothing, and he added a much needed sting to our attack. If not for the stunning performance of Antonioli, everyone would be singing Ibra's praises.
For those who disagree, let's start Del Piero and Trezeguet again so they can show us how not to attack teams. (See the first half against Samp)
As for Zlatan, I don't see how anyone who saw the difference he made in the second half against Sampdoria can say that he hasn't justified his selection for the next match. We were absolutely shite in the first half, and though some people might say that our overall tactics and the presence of three forwards in the formation contributed to the number of chances he had, it was clear for all to see that Zlatan created pretty much every single one of his chances out of nothing, and he added a much needed sting to our attack. If not for the stunning performance of Antonioli, everyone would be singing Ibra's praises.
For those who disagree, let's start Del Piero and Trezeguet again so they can show us how not to attack teams. (See the first half against Samp)
