Bring back Berardi and Immobile, though I have my doubts about how the latter would fit in our system.
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[Serie A] nipples soccer 2-0 JUVENTUS (March 30th 2014) (26 Viewers)
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That knowledge will only bring luck to Lyon, I'm afraid.
Do you know how much it takes for us to lose this scudetto?
Roma needs to beat: Parma, Cagliari, Atalanta, Fiorentina, Milan, Catania, Juventus, Genoa.
Juve needs to lose to Roma, and also lose 6 points against: h- Livorno, a- Udinese, h - Sassuolo, a- Bologna, h- Atalanta, h- Cagliari.
In other words, we must lose 9 points against teams we beat 7-0-0 in the first part of the season, with a 20:2 goal difference. 5 of these 7 matches are against teams from the bottom part of the table (11-20 place) and against the bottom teams we only have a 15-0-0 record so far.
That's really possible and worth risking the EL, or isn't it?
Especially since the tired starters are giving even less than a rested bench player.
Do you know how much it takes for us to lose this scudetto?
Roma needs to beat: Parma, Cagliari, Atalanta, Fiorentina, Milan, Catania, Juventus, Genoa.
Juve needs to lose to Roma, and also lose 6 points against: h- Livorno, a- Udinese, h - Sassuolo, a- Bologna, h- Atalanta, h- Cagliari.
In other words, we must lose 9 points against teams we beat 7-0-0 in the first part of the season, with a 20:2 goal difference. 5 of these 7 matches are against teams from the bottom part of the table (11-20 place) and against the bottom teams we only have a 15-0-0 record so far.
That's really possible and worth risking the EL, or isn't it?
Especially since the tired starters are giving even less than a rested bench player.
I agree completely with what your saying. My worry is that conte can see it but isn't trying to proactively address it just because the results are coming. Or moreover, an even bigger concern I have is that conte doesn't know how to change it. I don't want to compare conte to mourinho but the thing with mou is that he notices things aren't working and can change a tactic, style or the rhythm instantly. In 3 years watching conte I can honestly say I don't remember him ever having that impact, certainly not mid game. But is that something he can learn or is that a natural skill?
The second half of the table is when the small teams fight for survival, Livorno, Bologna, Sassuolo and Cagliari can all be relegated.
The second reality that you are totally ignoring is the way we have played since December, yes the results were there but don't kid yourself, we have been abysmal. It's been a while that I complained because we were crunching results and I am afraid that we won't be able to keep that pace.
It's nice that you mentioned rotation, whose fault is it that we don't rotate? Who is it that does not have confidence in the bench players? Not having them played and not letting them become part of the team?
The EL is and will always be risked because we never really cared about it.
The second reality that you are totally ignoring is the way we have played since December, yes the results were there but don't kid yourself, we have been abysmal. It's been a while that I complained because we were crunching results and I am afraid that we won't be able to keep that pace.
It's nice that you mentioned rotation, whose fault is it that we don't rotate? Who is it that does not have confidence in the bench players? Not having them played and not letting them become part of the team?
The EL is and will always be risked because we never really cared about it.
Juve fell into the trap of semi adjusting to Napoli and they ended up playing in a nothingy fashion.
It was always going to be an awkward tactical match-up for Juve, but they needed to either properly commit to playing their own game - dominating the midfield to such an extent that Napoli's advantage on the wings wouldn't be a major issue - or they had to fully adapt to taking on Napoli, which would have involved a tweaking of the shape to get an extra man in a wider position.
As it was, Juve went in between. Vidal and Pogba sort of drifted wide, but not enough to stop Napoli dominating the flanks, but they were pulled deep enough and wide enough that Juve didn't have the presence in the middle of the pitch to harrass Inler and Jorginho to try and stop them dictating the game.
It was only in the second half that Juve adjusted - by pushing the right wing-back high up the pitch and keeping the midfielders more central - that Juve were able to impose themselves on the game and push Napoli back a bit. Juve had enough control to get into quite a few good positions, but the final ball or decision was never good enough to actually create a real chance.
For all Napoli were the better side, their goals came at points where Juve were actually doing okay. The first goal came after Juve had weathered the early pressure and were looking relatively comfortable and the second goal, while clearly avoidable, is one there is always the possibility of conceding when you are pushing for a goal. Don't know if Chiellini's absence mattered on the first goal. Even if it did, these things go against you now and then over the course of a season.
All in all, not good, but nothing that's really terribly concerning for Juve.
It was always going to be an awkward tactical match-up for Juve, but they needed to either properly commit to playing their own game - dominating the midfield to such an extent that Napoli's advantage on the wings wouldn't be a major issue - or they had to fully adapt to taking on Napoli, which would have involved a tweaking of the shape to get an extra man in a wider position.
As it was, Juve went in between. Vidal and Pogba sort of drifted wide, but not enough to stop Napoli dominating the flanks, but they were pulled deep enough and wide enough that Juve didn't have the presence in the middle of the pitch to harrass Inler and Jorginho to try and stop them dictating the game.
It was only in the second half that Juve adjusted - by pushing the right wing-back high up the pitch and keeping the midfielders more central - that Juve were able to impose themselves on the game and push Napoli back a bit. Juve had enough control to get into quite a few good positions, but the final ball or decision was never good enough to actually create a real chance.
For all Napoli were the better side, their goals came at points where Juve were actually doing okay. The first goal came after Juve had weathered the early pressure and were looking relatively comfortable and the second goal, while clearly avoidable, is one there is always the possibility of conceding when you are pushing for a goal. Don't know if Chiellini's absence mattered on the first goal. Even if it did, these things go against you now and then over the course of a season.
All in all, not good, but nothing that's really terribly concerning for Juve.
+1.Exactly.
We'll be fine.
Yes we deserved to lose,but no need to panic.
On a contrary,i hope we just wake up and play with more interest and passion.
Because it was obvious we came with the wrong approach today as well,and that 20 pts gap on the, was in our heads.
The game vs Lyon is the one that crucial,not today's one.
The only 2 things i'm mad about is:
1.That Conte played the best 11,and didn't rest Pirlo/Licht/Asa.
He did let Pogba and Asa a rest later on.(30min?)
2.Osvaldo-Llorente just can't play together,and it's the second time we see that shit,i hope it's the last one.
I hope this loss will make us a favour,and we'll play good from now on untll the end of the season,including EL first of all.
Forza Juve!!
We'll be fine.
Yes we deserved to lose,but no need to panic.
On a contrary,i hope we just wake up and play with more interest and passion.
Because it was obvious we came with the wrong approach today as well,and that 20 pts gap on the, was in our heads.
The game vs Lyon is the one that crucial,not today's one.
The only 2 things i'm mad about is:
1.That Conte played the best 11,and didn't rest Pirlo/Licht/Asa.
He did let Pogba and Asa a rest later on.(30min?)
2.Osvaldo-Llorente just can't play together,and it's the second time we see that shit,i hope it's the last one.
I hope this loss will make us a favour,and we'll play good from now on untll the end of the season,including EL first of all.
Forza Juve!!
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results every time. Unfortunately this can pretty much be said about Conte. Refusing to change things and will often talk about the team doing extraordinary things in recent years instead of actually improving the team.
Conte is a great motivator by the looks of it but he does look tactically inept at times and doesn't know what to do to change certain things. He is happy to set us up the same every game and hope for the best.
The only change i seen from him was the 4-3-3 against Madrid which worked very well. Then he went back to his old ways of stone age tactics again hoping for the best and we got dumped out of the CL.
Conte is a great motivator by the looks of it but he does look tactically inept at times and doesn't know what to do to change certain things. He is happy to set us up the same every game and hope for the best.
The only change i seen from him was the 4-3-3 against Madrid which worked very well. Then he went back to his old ways of stone age tactics again hoping for the best and we got dumped out of the CL.
That's my concern too. Don't get me wrong, I love conte, I love his mentality, and I genuinely think off the field there is no better coach. He's good with the media, he's good with motivating. But the concern is his stubborness with tactics. In a match situation I don't consider him to be a good tactician.
It's clear he can build a formation, but he doesn't seem to have a plan b, let alone c or d! The CL showed him up for all his short comings, as if he didn't learn from last year at all....
It's clear he can build a formation, but he doesn't seem to have a plan b, let alone c or d! The CL showed him up for all his short comings, as if he didn't learn from last year at all....