[Serie A] Nipples Soccer 1-3 JUVENTUS (January 11th, 2015) (2 Viewers)

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i reread the tules, and the thing that could be of contention is challenging for the ball part, but id still wait for professional opinion
I think that as soon as Chiellini tried to play the ball he became active and was therefore offside.

I see Gazzetta disagrees with me though with regards Chiellini being active.

They still say the goal was offside, but on the basis that Caceres was marginally beyond the line.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie...sato-tiene-mano-roma-lazio-100460146557.shtml
 

Maddy

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Did Chiellini any of the following. If the Refs eyes? No. In other words: He wasn't offside:

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
I've seen plenty of situations similar to Chiellini's since the implementation of the new offside-rules and most of the tiem the Refs sees it as not being an offence. The refereeing "experts" af Danish television agrees with that consensus as well.
 
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    Did Chiellini any of the following. If the Refs eyes? No. In other words: He wasn't offside:



    I've seen plenty of situations similar to Chiellini's since the implementation of the new offside-rules and most of the tiem the Refs sees it as not being an offence. The refereeing "experts" af Danish television agrees with that consensus as well.
    Only argument they could have was if he interfered with play or not.
     

    Red

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    Did Chiellini any of the following. If the Refs eyes? No. In other words: He wasn't offside:



    I've seen plenty of situations similar to Chiellini's since the implementation of the new offside-rules and most of the tiem the Refs sees it as not being an offence. The refereeing "experts" af Danish television agrees with that consensus as well.
    Within the current interpretation of the rules he may well not have been interfering with play.

    I, however, fail to see how trying to head a cross when in the middle of the goal, eight yards out, can be interpreted as not interfering with play.

    Even if he doesn't touch the ball, he is bound to have an impact on how the defenders behave.
     

    Maddy

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    Only argument they could have was if he interfered with play or not.
    Yep, but as I understand it FIFA during the implementation stressed that interfering meant actual contact with the ball (or very close to) or at least that was how it was presented by a former referee on Danish television.
     

    Maddy

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    Within the current interpretation of the rules he may well not have been interfering with play.

    I, however, fail to see how trying to head a cross when in the middle of the goal, eight yards out, can be interpreted as not interfering with play.

    Even if he doesn't touch the ball, he is bound to have an impact on how the defenders behave.
    I totally agree and I think it's wrong that interference apparently means "contact with the ball".

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    This is a very grey area, imagine how it could be interpreted.
    :agree:
     

    Red

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    This is a very grey area, imagine how it could be interpreted.
    Yeah, it's not easy to define.

    But I think that as soon as he tries to head the ball he has to be given offside.

    I accept that generally the 'interfering with play' rule can't be strictly implemented because everyone who is vaguely in the vicinity of the ball is always interfering with play to some extent and I don't think anyone wants to return to a 1970's interpretation of the offside rule.
     
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    Yep, but as I understand it FIFA during the implementation stressed that interfering meant actual contact with the ball (or very close to) or at least that was how it was presented by a former referee on Danish television.
    I think most of Europe knows Italy needs some kind of controversy to survive. Disgusting league we play in.
     

    JuveJay

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    His central position is probably the only real interference, because really there is no Napoli player near Caceres.

    As soon as the first replay was shown you could see it would be incident where someone could find fault with positioning or an offside, but really Napoli defended it very poorly and it was millimetres.
     

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