[Serie A] Milan-Juventus (28 Viewers)

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
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all these has been set up wisely by milan, having kaka injury buffon n giving us abbiati and not wanted to play before the match
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
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did u guys see when cafu came in and in about 5 minutes later, he had the ball and started pushing chiellini down on our court and the referee gave it as a foul..
then the camera showed ancelotti laughing and giving this evil smile as well as cafu ..

that was fvcking pissing off
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


dude, get off your soapbox.....

Crap isnt taking this team anywhere.....

its a shame that its only late October, and I already have a real bad feeling that our team isnt good enough to take Europe- which is what we all want

Crap COULD HAVE changed things the right way, during the game, but he failed miserably...again

always nice to see a Juve team that cant string together any offense....bet on the same result on wednesday
was it soo hard to state wat did u think capello did wrongly in the game?
I agree with u there.His substitutions were very wrong.

i still have hope for the team, and very high hopes i have to say.
I guess we will need to wait until the end of the season and then asses his performance.
 
Sep 14, 2003
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Milan aren't immune to the odd poor performance, we saw that last season. Wouldn't be at all surprised if this season saw the top 2 places change a few times.
 

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
4,078
++ [ originally posted by sateeh ] ++


was it soo hard to state wat did u think capello did wrongly in the game?
I agree with u there.His substitutions were very wrong.

i still have hope for the team, and very high hopes i have to say.
I guess we will need to wait until the end of the season and then asses his performance.
Substutition mistakes made by Crapello in the milan-juve game

1. (Chiellini for Pessotto 40") Chiellini did normal since we dont expect much from him according to his preformance in the past matches, well, he gave away many balls but at least he didnt make any big mistake. My point is that why the hell he start Pessotto if he wants to sub him before half time anyway. (Unless pessotto is injury) Waste of one substitution.

2. (Mutu for Camoranesi 58") Yes, Camoranesi didnt play up to his standard last night, but he is better than our other three midfielders. He has also rest Camo is the last few matches, what the hell is that for if he doesnt play Camo 90 minutes.

3. (Del Piero for Nedved 72") Dude, its too late, you expect him to preform a miracle. And Zlatan is the player who should be subbed.

You may think I am stupid, but this is my opinion, we should replace Paddy or Emo with Blasi who can run like a Gattuso, our two DMCs look very unfit last night and got domainted by Gattuso.
 

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
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I have also noticed that Crapello made Zala warm up during first half and did not play him, why is that? What the hell is this guy smoking?

Speaking of a football player myself (P.S. College level) , it hurts a lot when your coach tell u to warm up and then play someone else. It sucks.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
++ [ originally posted by sateeh ] ++


Everone here just wants the best for the team.

Abt the match, and the stuff u talked abt.

Going into a game like this, with a three man offensive side is just suicide.U saw how the milan midfield played, and they own ower midfield. Playing with three or 5 would jsut be unbalanced. I know that players like alex & mutu would've helped the defense and the midfield but then whoever was going to be upfront was jsut going to be lost between the milan defenders(who were great by the way) and we would be under constant pressure from the milan guys , and would have to revert to the long balls.Eventually we would just be outscored again.
4-3-3 is a very risky formation, and as it wasnt used that much this season, u just cant expect the guy to use it in this kind of game.I know it should've been tested before, but the 4-4-2 was working and if ain't broken why fix it.

Abt chimenti, u just cant change the whole system jsut cause the keeper was changed.Cap had to work with what he had.Its a shame that our 2nd keeper is as poor as he is, but again i dont blame him, he didnt play that much.

U just cant blame tactics cuz in the past we were more competitave in derbies.I didnt see anyone say anything when we just brushed away Inter in their prime(begining of this season) the same way Milan beat us last nite.
The team was complacent and its partly cap's mistake and the players take some of the blame.

u predicted a loss right? did u know that the only goal in the game thats well worked would be ours?Three lucky goals.I wont deny the Milanista faithful that their players played an excellent game.But the goals didnt come cuz of the way they played.U just can't blame the tactics cap had, its the mentality that the players approached the game.It wasn't good enough.

I have to agree abt the improvement abt the flaws, he didnt do that much.The only thing he tried to do is trying out chiellini as well as mutu more and more.

This is a great game, if u doubt it from bouncing back then u dont know this team very well. If its not the next game then its the game after.There is no crisis here.
we dont have to play a 4-3-3 there are other systems we could use 3-5-2,5-3-2,3-4-3 etc etc even a 4-4-2 with a diamond could work,
just try anything else when u see flat 4-4-2 leeds u nowhere,
or at least change some players,use the one on form,sub them if necesary,
there too many options and he is paid milions to find a solution
but he is always coming with the known predictable and failed tactics...

what advantages this tactic offered us?
didnt we reverted to the desperate long balls anyway?
our attack line was cut off, our midfield was wiped out and our defence couldnt resist all this pressure,could this be much worse?
wasnt it the same against Pool last year?
with the 4-3-3 we might risk to loose but even risk to win too,
with 4-4-2 and the players he chooced our failure was certain,
that was prooved in the field more than once,
it was the players fault not to be hungry for the victory with Cap declaring the win in this crucial derby isnt important?

playing our third keeper wasnt Caps fault(our bad luck again) since our first and second got injured but he sould have tried Bonnefoi as third solution or try smth extra defensive our offensive for this game,
we cant have a normal play with such a liabilty,
it was certain we would have conceded a goal,
i cant forgive Chimenti because he just tried,
i could have tried with all my heart if i was in his place but am i keeper for Juve?
u sould have retired or asked not to be played,
whenever we trust our posts on Chimenti we always concede silly goals,
why didnt we loaned away Bonnefoi if we intend to keep him on the bench for ever?

i m not saying that are players are innocent but the gratest part of the blame is capello's,
when a player doesnt play it means its not his day,
when the whole team doesnt play its coaches fault.

can u please make up ur mind if our defeat was just bad luck or our bad play?

I believe luck had i big part in this game,
but we almost never have it against Milan,
we always play against one key player and concede supernatural gols,
thats why we have to be very determined and leave luck no space no make its game,
Cap is praise to give us the winning mentality but he has no fault in the loss?
Caps superior tactics won us the game with Inter but it was the players fault we didnt do the same against Milan and Bayern?
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
++ [ originally posted by JRulez ] ++
who's responsible, if not Capello then?

Is it not he who picks the team, determines the tactics and is responsible for the team's strategy?

Once again, Capello proves that he doesn't have the tactical nuance to match the bigger, better sides. He's a tactical dinosaur people!

Despite this result, we'll probably still win serie a due to abilty to grind out featureless but gritty wins against the bulk of the other sides, but as far as the Champions League goes, forget it people, seriously forget it!

And I quite like the name Crapello, suits him right down to the ground imo

If that makes me childish too, then so be it.
well said
 

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
4,078
++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
Capello surprises me game after game











he surprises me in the sense that he sees nothing wrong and no need to change.
fooing us to curse our bad luck too, this pissed me off
 
Oct 30, 2005
8
++ [ originally posted by edpiero ] ++
did u guys see when cafu came in and in about 5 minutes later, he had the ball and started pushing chiellini down on our court and the referee gave it as a foul..
then the camera showed ancelotti laughing and giving this evil smile as well as cafu ..

that was fvcking pissing off

lmao buddy, didnt u see chellini tuggin cafus shirt, becuz he knew that cafu had beat him?? ancelotti had a sarcastic laugh becuz the foul acually belonged to us.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
++ [ originally posted by forzamilanello ] ++



lmao buddy, didnt u see chellini tuggin cafus shirt, becuz he knew that cafu had beat him?? ancelotti had a sarcastic laugh becuz the foul acually belonged to us.
do u really believe Milan had fantastic display and luck wasnt involved at all?
aside our vaccum sucker monkey keeper and the traitor u lend us,
luck had a big part in this game,
i may respect Milan more than u because i believe Milan was able to play much much better than this,
IMO they just defended the win God or Devil offered them,
if we have the luck to score first like Milan did,
then we would have seen what milan is really capable off,
i dont believe they showed smth admirable now than luck
and the will to win "non important" games

BTW welcome
and enjoy ur win Milan has tough program ahead and they head to focus in one derby per year and loose matches they souldnt
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,645
++ [ originally posted by forzamilanello ] ++



lmao buddy, didnt u see chellini tuggin cafus shirt, becuz he knew that cafu had beat him?? ancelotti had a sarcastic laugh becuz the foul acually belonged to us.
:blah:

wana take another look ? look at cafu's expression properly
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
++ [ originally posted by Cronios ] ++


we dont have to play a 4-3-3 there are other systems we could use 3-5-2,5-3-2,3-4-3 etc etc even a 4-4-2 with a diamond could work,
just try anything else when u see flat 4-4-2 leeds u nowhere,
or at least change some players,use the one on form,sub them if necesary,
there too many options and he is paid milions to find a solution
but he is always coming with the known predictable and failed tactics...

what advantages this tactic offered us?
didnt we reverted to the desperate long balls anyway?
our attack line was cut off, our midfield was wiped out and our defence couldnt resist all this pressure,could this be much worse?
wasnt it the same against Pool last year?
with the 4-3-3 we might risk to loose but even risk to win too,
with 4-4-2 and the players he chooced our failure was certain,
that was prooved in the field more than once,
it was the players fault not to be hungry for the victory with Cap declaring the win in this crucial derby isnt important?

playing our third keeper wasnt Caps fault(our bad luck again) since our first and second got injured but he sould have tried Bonnefoi as third solution or try smth extra defensive our offensive for this game,
we cant have a normal play with such a liabilty,
it was certain we would have conceded a goal,
i cant forgive Chimenti because he just tried,
i could have tried with all my heart if i was in his place but am i keeper for Juve?
u sould have retired or asked not to be played,
whenever we trust our posts on Chimenti we always concede silly goals,
why didnt we loaned away Bonnefoi if we intend to keep him on the bench for ever?

i m not saying that are players are innocent but the gratest part of the blame is capello's,
when a player doesnt play it means its not his day,
when the whole team doesnt play its coaches fault.

can u please make up ur mind if our defeat was just bad luck or our bad play?

I believe luck had i big part in this game,
but we almost never have it against Milan,
we always play against one key player and concede supernatural gols,
thats why we have to be very determined and leave luck no space no make its game,
Cap is praise to give us the winning mentality but he has no fault in the loss?
Caps superior tactics won us the game with Inter but it was the players fault we didnt do the same against Milan and Bayern?
agreed abt the first part with the any formations used.But would u forgive the coach for loosing only cuz he needed to try out a new tactic?The Triad certainly wont.And many juve faithful wont be as open minded as me and u.

I cant say the whole team played badly.Emo played well in the first half.And how abt the defense, u can't deny them the praise, they shit down the milan attack completely. Thats unfair to the players.Mutu didnt play badly.Viera was obviously not fit. And hw abt camo, and zambo? they played there hearts out.

Wat do we know abt Bonnofio's getting any offers of loans or watever.. so we cant say that we only want him on the bench.

abt wat u said abt cap, and the milan-inter-bayern games.I dont think anybody here said anything abt cap is only to praise or to blame.Everybody shares the blames and the praises.Thats why this is a team, its not abt one individual.
The winning mentality is coupled with the Juventus club, it is bigger than anyone in this world.No manager or staff memeber or playeer would change it.The manager just needs to have the same mentality.
 

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