SERIE A: Lecce - Juventus (21 Viewers)

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by -Fantasista- ] ++
@aressandro: When Iuliano got sent off I figured that an attacker would make way for either a midfielder or a defender,

me too.... becoz after Iuliano was red carded we have only one valid centreback and his name is Ferarra ..... and we have to expect zambrotta and biri to act as emergency cb....which will also cut out our flank movement..

although at the same time i was relief to see miccoli came off for Trezeguet... our midget midfiled and attacking line - Appiah, Maresca, Del Piero, Miccoli, Di Vaio, zalayeta, - clearly outmuscled by Lecce defense...

but how did Del Piero play for the 77 minutes that he was on the pitch? He didn't do too well did he?

DP ( and the whole Juve attack for that matter ) had a very queit first half..only at the end of the first half did he had some move to show..

but in the second half , he seemed more determined... he and Zalayeta provide the only spark in our movement... DP's touches and control was rather amazing at times.

but i never expect Lippi would stay with such an attacking line up ..Trezeguet, DP. zalayeta,Di vaio... for a long time with a man down... and seeing that those 4 are more expert in receiving balls than getting it, its rather wise and logic to bring on Camoranesi.... although IMO we need DP more than Di Vaio since we already have Trezeguet as a target man...

but hey, Miccoli got subbed before him and apparently Di Vaio had another off day.

miccoli and Di vaio did almost nothing at all...although i personally blamed the complete inexistence of the midfield for that .. but they arent any better than an off form Trezeguet.. but at least trezeguet can be count on for crosses and long ball when we lack ideas...

 

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[Hydde]

i would have sub di vaio instead of DP who was at least trying hard, but well.

 

[Zizou]

Incubo if the Lecce players stopped it's their fault and no one elses. Only Baresi used to raiseh is arm and have the ref whistle offsides. The rules are there and Camoranesi was not even on the same line of the ball, Trez was. To top it off the Lece players/coach protested for Trez position during the match.

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Incubo if the Lecce players stopped it's their fault and no one elses. Only Baresi used to raiseh is arm and have the ref whistle offsides. The rules are there and Camoranesi was not even on the same line of the ball, Trez was. To top it off the Lece players/coach protested for Trez position during the match.

Yeap!.

He was onside incubbo. Is not camo´s fault that the lecce defenders were looking at him walking out of the play. That doesnt make him participant.

 

[kaizer]

++ [ originally posted by Hydde ] ++


WE need a sub for nedved and another good defender!.

now, that's just another word for saying "bye bye trez..."

:down::down:

 

[the phoenix]

This is what I wil say about the match,

If Tudor was not injured he should of gotten the start with Iuliano and Ferrara. Ferrara being not keeping up with Chevanton shows that........what have we've been saying lately.....um, oh yes..defense is a little slow, just a little.

Can't blame our attack too much, I mean the midfield controls at least half the game, and you can feel the difference with Tachinardi not playing. Either swallow our pride and give Davids what he wants or try harder to fine tune the midfield. Our midfield should have a pillar, a warrior and two creative players who can also defend. Juve is about 3 or 4 players to being really great and sad thing is we have 2 of them already on our team. A three man defense is what I prefer, but the midfield needs working in order to make everything run smooth.

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by kaizer ] ++


now, that's just another word for saying "bye bye trez..."

:down::down:

Mmmm.. lets better not get rid of Trez from now :frown:

 

[Zizou]

Hydde DP was decreasing by the minute and did not have a high condition to play 90 mins. Only Zala seemed to have such a condition.

 

[the phoenix]

Del Piero starting where he was at the beginning of the match should never have been. We all know that.

 

[kaizer]

++ [ originally posted by Hydde ] ++


Mmmm.. lets better not get rid of Trez from now :frown:

well, since somebody sed that we need a sub for nedved, and a defender or 2...than trez cud be sold :down: *praying that it wont happen*

why not sell zala...? why...why......:down:

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Zizou: Here is why I can't agree.

Ask yourself: If Camoranesi was in an onside position would a player have followed Trez. as he skipped outside the defenders? What was the reason they let Trez. go and had their hands in the air? It was Camoranesi. Had Camoranesi been ON SIDE the keeper and Lecce players would resume playing and not concentrate on the fact that a player was offside. He was a distraction to the keeper and defenders...making him active and obstructing. Sorry can't buy it.

unless Camo is obstructing the keeper's view, he dont physically break any rule.. its totally Lecce's player's fault for failing to see the situation clearly ..

However I saw an elbow to Camo's face that should have been a possible send off or yellow card and nothing was called and I also saw another bad hit on a Juve player. Juve woke up in the last five minutes or ten.

that elbow on camoranesi is totally clear and right in front of the ref... but the ref new that if he sent the plaeyr off while juve is all gun blasing he would have receive sticks..that must have clouded his judgement at the moment... and camo dont have the time to role and hold his face in agony...

 

[Zlatan]

Gonzalo Rodriguez, get your Argentinian arse to Juve!!!

 

[NEDVED]

so, this games proves this equality:

juve-nedved= 0

we need a substitute, dp is good but he had been playing forward for 2 consecutive years so we cant depend on him as a playmaker!!

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Incubo if the Lecce players stopped it's their fault and no one elses. Only Baresi used to raiseh is arm and have the ref whistle offsides. The rules are there and Camoranesi was not even on the same line of the ball, Trez was. To top it off the Lece players/coach protested for Trez position during the match.

Horsesh*t. We were denied the very same goal in the CL final...in the Coppa Inter. final claiming that the other players were a distraction while the other player (Sheva and Pippo: not offside) but it in the net. That rule is not clear at all and it seems they go with the flow. How was Camoranesi NOT a distraction?? The ball was actually directed his way but Trez. intercepted. ???????

 

[NEDVED]

anyway, tie is better than lose

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Hydde DP was decreasing by the minute and did not have a high condition to play 90 mins. Only Zala seemed to have such a condition.

i dont agree with you zizou...coz at that moment Dp was on a hot moment and our only better attacking player along with zalayeta.....lippi should have subbed Di Vaio...

 

[Zlatan]

It doesnt matter, how can you prove the Lecce players' state of mind??? Camo didnt touch the ball, didnt obstruct the keeper, therefor he wasnt influencing play

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Horsesh*t. We were denied the very same goal in the CL final...in the Coppa Inter. final claiming that the other players were a distraction while the other player (Sheva and Pippo: not offside) but it in the net. That rule is not clear at all and it seems they go with the flow. How was Camoranesi NOT a distraction?? The ball was actually directed his way but Trez. intercepted. ???????

in shevchekon'S goal case, the off side player physically interrupt the game by standing in in the keeper's eyeline....

but in tonite's case, Camoranesi didnt involve in the play at all...the fact that Lecce's players act as referees and made their own judgment is totally their own fault.. they should have do their job which is to mark all JUve players..

 

[Vinman]

A completely inferior defender like Iuliano resorts to dirty play, which leads to a red card.

Par for the course with this defense.

Again I ask, why only 3 in the back ??? WE NEED 4 IN THE BACK !!!! Even then, we will struggle.

This January, we need not 1, but 2 defenders. We have no chance otherwise

Appiah should go, not Davids

Juve player of the game- the linesman who gifted Trez's goal by not calling offsides

 

[kaizer]

it's really frustating to read that we have soo many frailties.....

no sub for nedved and tacchi, ageing defenders....

we shudnt be dependent on certain players IMO, we must work as a unit. and today that unit was on christmas holidays already. on any other day, with THAT line-up...we can beat anyone IMO. IF we had grit and determination.....