Serie A: Juventus vs Roma [Feb 16 , 2008] (7 Viewers)

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I think Ranieri is overcritisized i mean look at our squad and were we were last year. Then remember that secco blew all of our transfer cash on failures. Ranieri substituions are foolish yet i think we should keep him till the summer then axe him so Lippi can join.

 

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[Snoop]

First of all, Camoranesi was injured. Ranieri was forced to sub him out.

And you're not getting the point of some of us here.
The question "Do you think Ranieri is a good coach ?" is different to "Do you think Ranieri did good today ? "
Few members here will bash him no matter what he does. That's actually the only problem here and the only reason for this little argument we're having.

As for sticking with the opinion....... if i say Ranieri is a bad coach and the next week i say Ranieri did very well today, it doesn't mean my opinion about Ranieri is changed. If i say the next week that he made terrible mistakes it doesn't mean that i changed my opinion about him for the third time.

I know Camoranesi was injured, I don't need everyone to tell me that in every post, why did he sub Nocerino and not other player in?

You and everyone including me said Ranieri is a bad coach, and he still is a bad coach for introducing Nocerino into the game and giving the control to Roma, why some of you have problems with my comment or anyone who agree with me? why is this discussion is still going on, since we all agree he is a bad coach?? Me, Andy, Vinman and everyone credited first half's performance to Ranieri, and all of us criticized him for substituting Nocerino in (and not taking Camoranesi out), what is the big fucking deal with this??

 

[Snoop]

Whats funny is, 2 years back we were in the same situation but with a stronger team which meant us being on the top of the league table.

Capello did not bring in any brilliant tachtics, unlike Lippi. Every match he was insisting on play Ibra and Vieira although they weren't performing at all. And it was all down to our champions (the current ones) a.k.a Del Piero and Trezeguet to save the day. And this is why we were knocked out of the CL easily.

in which everyone including me at the end of the season wanted him to leave, when he totally run out of solutions and those series of draws came after each others..

 

[Bjerknes]

Case in point:
He shut down Taddei and Cassetti, despite being pretty much alone on the left for most of the match. He dribbles quite well, nice technique for a fullback. His stamina is amazing, he keeps going up and down the flank(though he needs to learn the timing better and when it's approriate or not). He always manages to get in good positions, but it's indeed a shame that his crossing is below par. He has a good temperament. He has great phyiscal qualities and he generally is an able defender.

I don't know. All I see in Molinaro is a useless hack who can run, and that's it. If we want our side to be filled with those sort of players, we won't get anywhere in Serie A. It's pretty sad that Juventus has to resort to having players with absolutely no footballing skill in the side.

 

[Azzurri7]

I know Camoranesi was injured, I don't need everyone to tell me that in every post, why did he sub Nocerino and not other player in?

You and everyone including me said Ranieri is a bad coach, and he still is a bad coach for introducing Nocerino into the game and giving the control to Roma, why some of you have problems with my comment or anyone who agree with me? why is this discussion is still going on, since we all agree he is a bad coach?? Me, Andy, Vinman and everyone credited first half's performance to Ranieri, and all of us criticized him for substituting Nocerino in (and not taking Camoranesi out), what is the big fucking deal with this??

and you say i'm hot headed

 

[Bjerknes]

I know Camoranesi was injured, I don't need everyone to tell me that in every post, why did he sub Nocerino and not other player in?

You and everyone including me said Ranieri is a bad coach, and he still is a bad coach for introducing Nocerino into the game and giving the control to Roma, why some of you have problems with my comment or anyone who agree with me? why is this discussion is still going on, since we all agree he is a bad coach?? Me, Andy, Vinman and everyone credited first half's performance to Ranieri, and all of us criticized him for substituting Nocerino in (and not taking Camoranesi out), what is the big fucking deal with this??

Yeah indeed, I praised Ranieri for fielding a great side to start the match, but he completely ruined the second half by introducing Nocerino. He knows the player cannot play right midfield, but plays him there anyway.

I'm also tired of people saying that Ranieri is right in playing an off-form Nocerino instead of the new Sissoko. That's just fucking horseshit. People need to grow a pair and take a chance on our new signings, because if we don't, they could end up like Tiago and Almiron. How fucking long do we have to wait to see Sissoko on a regular basis? Two months, three months, never? I mean come on, he's on better form than Nocerino and should be chosen before Nocerino.

But of course people will pussy out and say Sissoko isn't ready yet. Well excuse me, but neither is fucking Nocerino.

 

[Snoop]

and you say i'm hot headed

I am hot headed too, but I am repeating what I am saying for 100 th time. Lak rou2 baddi nik 3antar ba3d shway.

 

[Azzurri7]

krazy

 

[Extraordinary]

delpi scored a great goal ... next match agains cagliari delpi will score again

 

[Amaurisimo]

delpi scored a great goal ... next match agains cagliari delpi will score again

I would rather see Trez scoring this time
or both

:scarf:

 

[Alen]

I would rather not play Cagliari for the third time this season

 

[Amaurisimo]

I would rather not play Cagliari for the third time this season

even Regina is in similar position. Considering that they lost yesterday they will be hard team to play. It might get very physical

 

[Lion]

what's this horse shit argument people have been putting up about our champions saving Juve and Ranieri's ass? what a retarded argument. of course they have to save Juve's ass. WTF are we paying them for if they don't then? what so you don't want them to put world class performances? there is a reason we rely on players like Del Piero and Buffon, because..wait for it.... WE CAN AND WE MUST. They are players that stand out. What good is it if they don't save our ass?

and then people around here would have you believe that Ranieri is the only coach in the world who has his ass saved by our champions. These same people somehow conveniently fail to mention that every single big team relies on the brilliance of a select few to save them. ManU relies on Ronaldo and Rooney, Chelsea on Lampard and Terry, Liverpool on Gerrard, Barca on Messi, Madrid on Casillas, Inter on Camelface, Milan on Kaka.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT"S ONLY RANIERI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Red]

Excuse the pun, the main problem (besides the obvious bias issues)on here is that everything is always put into such a black and white perspective. Little to no nuance. Ranieri and Molinaro aren't always either terrible or brilliant, there is a middle ground.

Ranieri made a few mistakes(one which was forced upon him even) against Roma even, but tactically he outmastered the much praised(in italy anyway) Spalleti, with an offensive storm in the first half and he shut them down defensively in the second. Roma weren't that dangerous in the second 45 minutes.

Also I thought Molinaro AND Zebina played well. We only had three players in the centre of the pitch, so it was logical that the Roma wingers and fullbacks would have more space. It looked me like a calculated risk to me though, as we chose to close down Pizzaro and De Rossi, effectively cancelling out their build-up play and tempo-makers. Mancini, Taddei, Tonetto and Cassetti saw a lot of the ball, but they all had shockers. I reckon that Zebina and Molinaro at least deserve some credit for that.

Also, when you insist on highlighting the mistakes and poor crosses Molinaro for example makes, it's only fair to also highlight the positives of his game.

 

[Vinman]

I think Ranieri is overcritisized i mean look at our squad and were we were last year. Then remember that secco blew all of our transfer cash on failures. Ranieri substituions are foolish yet i think we should keep him till the summer then axe him so Lippi can join.

back to smoking weed again, I see

I don't know. All I see in Molinaro is a useless hack who can run, and that's it. If we want our side to be filled with those sort of players, we won't get anywhere in Serie A. It's pretty sad that Juventus has to resort to having players with absolutely no footballing skill in the side.

I can run like hell too...does this mean I warrant a spot in Juve's starting lineup ??

The arguments defending MORON-aro are pretty weak....bringing Brazzo and Grygera into the argument DOESN'T make MORON a better player



off-topic- I would like to thank Denco for putting his posts in paragraph form...so much easier to read !!int:

now, if only Cronios could do the same thing.....

 

[Azzurri7]

Cronios wouldn't do that to save his life

 

[Bjerknes]

and then people around here would have you believe that Ranieri is the only coach in the world who has his ass saved by our champions. These same people somehow conveniently fail to mention that every single big team relies on the brilliance of a select few to save them. ManU relies on Ronaldo and Rooney, Chelsea on Lampard and Terry, Liverpool on Gerrard, Barca on Messi, Madrid on Casillas, Inter on Camelface, Milan on Kaka.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT"S ONLY RANIERI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very shortsighted post.

Just look at how each of those sides play together as a team and make sure to notice that they always play to their strengths. Manure plays a system that fits them, Chelsea plays a system that fits them, Liverpool play a system that fits them, same thing with Barca, Madrid, Milan and Inter.

It was just on SATURDAY where we finally played a system that fits us, and I applauded Ranieri for actually growing a pair. If we would have come out with NuovoBlasi on the pitch instead of Camo for instance, we wouldn't have won.

IMO you're failing to look past the results, not having an eye open to the fact that as a team we haven't looked very good, and it's always Del Piero carrying us on his shoulders. It's completely obvious that without him we would be in huge trouble.

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I can run like hell too...does this mean I warrant a spot in Juve's starting lineup ??

The arguments defending MORON-aro are pretty weak....bringing Brazzo and Grygera into the argument DOESN'T make MORON a better player

Yeah, I don't understand why people use the "run like hell" argument to defend a player. IMO it's just foolish and should be a prerequisite to any wing player.

Zebina, Salihamidzic, Chiellini, De Ceglie etc can all run like hell. Silly argument.

 

[Lion]

IMO you're failing to look past the results, not having an eye open to the fact that as a team we haven't looked very good, and it's always Del Piero carrying us on his shoulders. It's completely obvious that without him we would be in huge trouble.

Of course we rely on Del Piero. he is the captain, and one of the greatest players ever. Naturally he is expected to make the step up and show his worth, which he has done this season.

and don't make it seem like this is something new. the way you put it is like Del Piero was some bench player before and that he suddenly became our most important player, so we should b e worried somehow. We have relied on Del Piero for many year now, under different systems and coaches. Under Lippi, under Capello, and under Deschamps. Del Piero was always there to carry the team and "save" our asses. What's new?

 

[Ahmed]

^^ there is no I in T-E-A-M...Ale can only do so much...

 

[Lion]

Yes, but again almost every big team relies on select individuals to give them an extra edge.