Serie A: Juventus vs Fiorentina [March 2 , 2008] (20 Viewers)

Stu · Mar 2, 2008

You can blame Ranieri if you want but at the end of the day our defence is still horrible. Molinaro and Grygera are still bad players regardless of what Ranieri does and whenever we don't have our first choice back four we always look like we'll concede. Sure Ranieri should have subbed Trez and not DP but DP did nothing today. According to Ranieri, Camo was out of gas so I'll take his word on that. Palladino had a good second half thanks to Ranieri giving him a new role so yes, Ranieri has his faults and he made mistakes but the bottom line is, this team isn't very good when you go past our best 11. We need better players. A better manager would be great too but imo the priority is the players.

X Æ A-12 · Mar 3, 2008

Stu said:

Having good players is meaningless if your man on the bench doesn't play them or moves them out of position. A new coach should be a top priority.
Why was Osvaldo red carded at the end of the game?

Stephan · Mar 3, 2008

Ranieri had a good team in Chelsea. But no trophy to show, Vialli can show 5 with Chelsea.

CAPITANO · Mar 3, 2008

The worst thing is the inter have got 2 points in 3 games and we have got 1 we had a chance to close the cap to inter but no we stuff it up, Roma are moving away from us now and the best we can hope for is 3rd or 4th let's just hope that we don't finish in 4th and Milan win the champions league.

There's only one good thing that could happen if we miss the champions league is that Ranieri would get fired.

Albertmare · Mar 3, 2008

vSnoop said:

How many ? Snoop ? :cry:

I can't stand this anymore , so Painful .

Really miss my real Juventus :sad:

Arif said:

WORD , Arif . I prefer to do something more useful for my life during our matches rather than Wrathing which can shorten my Penis , FAKK YOU RANIERI .

Snoop · Mar 3, 2008

albertmare said:

the funny thing is we still have some members who are defending this Ranieri idiot, and say everything is fine, every team in serie can have times like this. :inter:

Juve11 · Mar 3, 2008

Hi guys im a new poster and I just had to let my thoughts out cos that loss was like being stabbed in the chest and robbed. I watched the whole game and we statted very well we could have been to up if Trez and Zebina didnt fluff their gr8 chances.
After the first 15 mins its like we wnet to sleep and let them dominate and play at will untill we scored then the match was around 55-45 in our fovour.

its such a shame to see players like mollinaro being first choice he would not get a game for Lazio, Undinese, Fiorintina, the milans and for us he has his spot no questions asked why?

On the right side there was no room with Zebina doing very well with Camo, but on the right molinaro was giving his man all the time in the world to get the ball take it down and cross it unless Sissoko came in to try and break up the play.

I Like Palla alot but he doesent defend and if you play him on the left with molinaro teams will destroy us down the left.

Sissoko has really played well and for those who say he cant pass are you watching the game he had troubles a liverpool cos he was rotated too much so he lost his touch but he could become world class.

Raneri why take DP off who holds the ball up so well when Trez was clearly unfit and just not in the game (dont say cos the bump on his head).

As for taking off camo he got a knock early and recovered very well and wasnt impressed with being taken off nor should he be he was playing very well.

Poor Nocinero I really like the kid but it must be said he is really struggeling of late and is not a right sided player Raneri havent you noticed?

where is tiago we pay his wages so he can go shopping or something what a joke the guy can play and has skill give him time or dont pick him in the squad.

Legra has been brilliant all season for us but again to be the best I feel he is a really good back up player and he wasnt great today nor was Grygera who was played out of place.

My game ratings

Buffon 6.5 didnt have much to do besides pick 3 balls out of the net not even superman couldnt have helped today

Zebina 7 solid in fact very good

Legra 5.5 Tried hard with not much help wasnt great

Grygera 4 Worst game his played for us out of postion put him on the right Zebina can play left (why not?)

Molinaro 3 One half decent cross was proabaly aim Trez at the front post. Cant mark a player at all GOTA GO sorry!

Palla 6 good no defensive skills he was a striker, had a bit of a heavy touch today but had a great shot saved

Zanetti 5 anonymous compared to Sissoko

Sissoko 8 Juves best player tracked back tried to create some very good tackles and scored a great goal

Camo 7.5 guys a warrior always plays better when his a little angry love the guy very cool finish for the goal

DP 6 Gave 100% like always wasnt his day but I still think if he remained on the pitch we win

Trez 5.5 Needs service midfield not creative enough makes nice runs and no - one can find him

Iaquinta 5.5 OK not great should start and nearlly scored a nice free kick

Nocinero 3.5 felt like we had 10 men when camo went off ( I really like him just not doing much at the minute)

Raneri 4 Love what his has done so far but when the heat is on makes poor decisions Prandelli went for the win Raneri tried to save. man we were at home have the guts to play 4 3 3 if you come to our home we shouldnt do much defending. Lippi may be on his way back!

X Æ A-12 · Mar 3, 2008

Juve11 said:

Hi guys im a new poster and I just had to let my thoughts out cos that loss was like being stabbed in the chest and robbed. I watched the whole game and we statted very well we could have been to up if Trez and Zebina didnt fluff their gr8 chances.
After the first 15 mins its like we wnet to sleep and let them dominate and play at will untill we scored then the match was around 55-45 in our fovour.

its such a shame to see players like mollinaro being first choice he would not get a game for Lazio, Undinese, Fiorintina, the milans and for us he has his spot no questions asked why?

On the right side there was no room with Zebina doing very well with Camo, but on the right molinaro was giving his man all the time in the world to get the ball take it down and cross it unless Sissoko came in to try and break up the play.

I Like Palla alot but he doesent defend and if you play him on the left with molinaro teams will destroy us down the left.

Sissoko has really played well and for those who say he cant pass are you watching the game he had troubles a liverpool cos he was rotated too much so he lost his touch but he could become world class.

Raneri why take DP off who holds the ball up so well when Trez was clearly unfit and just not in the game (dont say cos the bump on his head).

As for taking off camo he got a knock early and recovered very well and wasnt impressed with being taken off nor should he be he was playing very well.

Poor Nocinero I really like the kid but it must be said he is really struggeling of late and is not a right sided player Raneri havent you noticed?

where is tiago we pay his wages so he can go shopping or something what a joke the guy can play and has skill give him time or dont pick him in the squad.

Legra has been brilliant all season for us but again to be the best I feel he is a really good back up player and he wasnt great today nor was Grygera who was played out of place.

My game ratings

Buffon 6.5 didnt have much to do besides pick 3 balls out of the net not even superman couldnt have helped today

Zebina 7 solid in fact very good

Legra 5.5 Tried hard with not much help wasnt great

Grygera 4 Worst game his played for us out of postion put him on the right Zebina can play left (why not?)

Molinaro 3 One half decent cross was proabaly aim Trez at the front post. Cant mark a player at all GOTA GO sorry!

Palla 6 good no defensive skills he was a striker, had a bit of a heavy touch today but had a great shot saved

Zanetti 5 anonymous compared to Sissoko

Sissoko 8 Juves best player tracked back tried to create some very good tackles and scored a great goal

Camo 7.5 guys a warrior always plays better when his a little angry love the guy very cool finish for the goal

DP 6 Gave 100% like always wasnt his day but I still think if he remained on the pitch we win

Trez 5.5 Needs service midfield not creative enough makes nice runs and no - one can find him

Iaquinta 5.5 OK not great should start and nearlly scored a nice free kick

Nocinero 3.5 felt like we had 10 men when camo went off ( I really like him just not doing much at the minute)

Raneri 4 Love what his has done so far but when the heat is on makes poor decisions Prandelli went for the win Raneri tried to save. man we were at home have the guts to play 4 3 3 if you come to our home we shouldnt do much defending. Lippi may be on his way back!

Nice to meet you. Don't know if i agree about Sissoko but he was good. Overall a fairly good analysis. I want Ranieiri gone after this season is over but we shouldn't switch coaches now it would be to risky. I really hope we could get Prandelli over here he is an excellent coach.

zann · Mar 3, 2008

+ Prandelli was a Juve Player. lo.

swag · Mar 3, 2008

vSnoop said:

You may shocked to believe this, but I agree with you of course. We hunkered down and acted as if we gave up on offense and tried to hold on to the defensive scoreline for dear life -- when we knew we were dealing with an addled defense.

Pretty much guaranteed us lost points at that stage.

Salvo · Mar 3, 2008

molinaro should fuck off, all he does is fuck things up, where was he ? when the second goal went in where was he? god im so angry to lose like this, i have been angry all day. now we have milan and fiorentina up our asses.

Maher · Mar 3, 2008

what a pathatic performance by juve , fiorentina entered the match knowing the importance of this game but not juve with invisible attackers (trez palladino and dp) who i did not see in the game and with the weak stupid defence who made a lot of errors , juve got 1 point from the last 3 matches with a record like this i dont expect juve to be in the top 4 at the end of the season , and please guys dont put all the blame on the coach , where was the attackers in a game like this ?? Sissoko was the best juve player IMO too other than that all were in bad form.

sateeh · Mar 3, 2008

Fiorentina haven't beaten us in 20 years, two decades they couldn't get a win in Turin! It was just right that with the team's performance last night that they would hold that shame.

First and foremost the defence:

I haven't seen such a lazy, indisciplined performance by a juventus defense like the one I saw last night. We always took pride in our players being disciplined and have their mind on their games for over 90mins. Slack! Slack! Slack! Thats what they were just ordinary for the whole game and Fiorentina didn't play that well in the final end. I've seen them playing much better than that.

Grygera shouldn't see the light of day again and Legro should step up his game. I've been saying that about him for the last 3-4 games but i still see the same little mistakes that weren't punished in the past but were last night.

Zebina, as good as he is. All i see is gaps from his side of the defense. Hes too hot and cold especially on our end of the field.His best aspect is his defending but now all i see is lapses of concentration where he goes forward and forgets his post. Also two of three goals started from his side of the field.

Molinaro, i've been defending that guy for a long time as he is the backup left back. He looked more shaken than the times we played milan, Inter, and roma. He was sold short on many occasions but the most annoying part is that he played much better than that defensively. Its ironic that the first time he actually crosses well, he has a bad defensive game.

sissoko was good, and i see improvement in his game.Camo played well but after that injury in the first half he wasn't the same.

zanetti, just came back but hes another one that was completely outplayed by the viola midfield. He played well all season but that was just not his day.

palladino, hes been coping a lot of shit in the past weeks and rightfully so. I thought he played very well and tried very hard to produce something even when he played by himself effectively in the midfield. He still has to improve a lot but thats for another day.

Ranieri-
I always gave him a lot of credit when it comes to preparing the players for the games mentally and especially the big games. Or when we have a set back, the team always picks itself up and convinces in the next game. We have had a torrid time in february but i didn't see any preparation for this game as had effectively 11 ghosts on the field for 40 out of the 90mins.

The alex and camo subs were understandable as both looked spent and really tired. The nocerino sub didn't work last time and i will not work unless we have people to compliment him in the midfield but he is insistent on him. I don't see any innovation by him. If doesn't want to give Tiago a chance then brazzo should've been given the chance just to give us some speed in the midfield and some experience.

Fiorentina aren't much better than us imo. Just like the romanisti they didn't create a lot of dangerous chances by themselves. We handed them the game imo, with our indisciplined, anonymous approach to this game.

I didn't walk out a juventus game in my life ( always watched the full 90) and now i have did it twice in a week! Just like Ikonehsia said it was just heart breaking.

Salvo · Mar 3, 2008

sateeh said:

Fiorentina haven't beaten us in 20 years, two decades they couldn't get a win in Turin! It was just right that with the team's performance last night that they would hold that shame.

First and foremost the defence:

I haven't seen such a lazy, indisciplined performance by a juventus defense like the one I saw last night. We always took pride in our players being disciplined and have their mind on their games for over 90mins. Slack! Slack! Slack! Thats what they were just ordinary for the whole game and Fiorentina didn't play that well in the final end. I've seen them playing much better than that.

Grygera shouldn't see the light of day again and Legro should step up his game. I've been saying that about him for the last 3-4 games but i still see the same little mistakes that weren't punished in the past but were last night.

Zebina, as good as he is. All i see is gaps from his side of the defense. Hes too hot and cold especially on our end of the field.His best aspect is his defending but now all i see is lapses of concentration where he goes forward and forgets his post. Also two of three goals started from his side of the field.

Molinaro, i've been defending that guy for a long time as he is the backup left back. He looked more shaken than the times we played milan, Inter, and roma. He was sold short on many occasions but the most annoying part is that he played much better than that defensively. Its ironic that the first time he actually crosses well, he has a bad defensive game.

sissoko was good, and i see improvement in his game.Camo played well but after that injury in the first half he wasn't the same.

zanetti, just came back but hes another one that was completely outplayed by the viola midfield. He played well all season but that was just not his day.

palladino, hes been coping a lot of shit in the past weeks and rightfully so. I thought he played very well and tried very hard to produce something even when he played by himself effectively in the midfield. He still has to improve a lot but thats for another day.

Ranieri-
I always gave him a lot of credit when it comes to preparing the players for the games mentally and especially the big games. Or when we have a set back, the team always picks itself up and convinces in the next game. We have had a torrid time in february but i didn't see any preparation for this game as had effectively 11 ghosts on the field for 40 out of the 90mins.

The alex and camo subs were understandable as both looked spent and really tired. The nocerino sub didn't work last time and i will not work unless we have people to compliment him in the midfield but he is insistent on him. I don't see any innovation by him. If doesn't want to give Tiago a chance then brazzo should've been given the chance just to give us some speed in the midfield and some experience.

Fiorentina aren't much better than us imo. Just like the romanisti they didn't create a lot of dangerous chances by themselves. We handed them the game imo, with our indisciplined, anonymous approach to this game.

I didn't walk out a juventus game in my life ( always watched the full 90) and now i have did it twice in a week! Just like Ikonehsia said it was just heart breaking.

great post :agree:

, altough people like to get on palla's back, he seemed the most determined and didnt stop running, he never gave up

Maher · Mar 3, 2008

what a sad info that Fiorentina haven't beaten us in 20 years and they finally did it , this shows what a weak team we have.

- vOnAm - · Mar 3, 2008

swag said:

Camo--> Sali/Tiago
Trez-->Iaquinta

Thats how it shouldve gone down. If we wanted to protect our lead, leave the player that can protect the ball and draw the fouls. He is needed as an outlet for relieving pressure. Regardless of how tired DP is.

Buffon 6 : nothing he can do about the goals, terrible defense, he is human afterall.

Zebina 6: good defending, solid, good on some occasions getting forward

Lego 4 : where were u dude? the center was vacant? u look bad everytime Chiellini aint playin

Gygera 4: looked out of place and shaky, provided sum horrible clearance. I would give him less rating if he were a regular, but playing on the inside left is not at all his preffered spot-->ranieri?

Molinaro 3.5 : the rating is inclding the assist. he would get lower if not. his positioning is hopeless, and instead of getting better he appears to be getting worse. better used as wing back in a 3-5-2 formation

Zanetti 5.5: not his usual self, not dominating, but not terrible either

Sissoko 6: for the goal, nicely taken, appears to be getting better by each game. but still not dominating in midfield, yet i hope. passing could still use work

Palladino 6: he did alrite in the free role. got better towards the end, as he realized he was the only one we could count on for any attempt to attack aftr Camo and DP taken off

Camo 7: camo was our best player, once he was taken out, the midfield was truly lost! good dribbles, passing...seems intimidating to opponents defenses,

DP 5.5: Didnt get into the game, not one of his better nights, looked tired more than an issue of form.

Trez 4: totally out of the game, we didnt play to his stlye, should have been taken off--> ranieri?

Nocerino 4: other than nice ball control and agility, he doesnt add anything especially when played on the right.--> ranieri?

Iaquinta 5: fresh and running, which was needed, but no supply...should have taken Zanetti's pass better...a goal scoring chance wasted.

Ranieri 4: I still rate Moli worse than Ranieri, but I have many questions for himregarding his starting line-up and subs.
I would think Stendardo to be better than Gygera as left CB.

Arvin · Mar 3, 2008

m_elayyan said:

we dont have weak team, we have a good a squad but we dont have the right man to choice...i mean CR sucks he mades stupid subs even he was in chelsea and he havent learned yet, grygera is not even a central defeender he should picked stenddardo not grygera.

...we say that "people learn from their own mistakes" but CR, HELL NO!!!!!

solo JUVE.....! · Mar 3, 2008

Trez 4.5 ...
Unbelievable.... :cry:

Diego · Mar 3, 2008

AAArgh!! I'm so pissed of about this match. We are becoming a loser team.....

Salvo · Mar 3, 2008

this isnt juve!

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