Serie A: Juventus vs Empoli [October 31 2007] (15 Viewers)

Pingo

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Oct 31, 2007
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nope.

A good 45mins against weak opposition doesn't get you a start in this big a game.

I agree, but he needs more playing time, couse Almiron isn't a midlfelder who can be a "star" 4 Juve and than i think that "we" paid 9m€ to Empoli 4 him :wallbang: :(
Juve need to buy a difender (Brarzagli or Ivanovič), two midlfelders (Diego, Borowski) and a striker (Huntelaar)...
Nedved, DP (slow, no ideas) are out of form...Camo & Iaquinta are just back from injury...Nocerino, Molinaro & Criscito aren't just there yet...The best buy 4 as this year is Iaquinta, Palladino is not playing that bad (quite good), but each game in diferent position... Gigi, Braco, Zanetti & Chiellini are the :heart2: of the team, the lest three allways give all that thay could on the field (runing, fighting...)...Thats Juve 4 you this season...Chiellini did great transaction from left back to the middle of d difence...So we must buy just 1 one top difender...And sell Boumsong, Almiron, Olivera...

Against Empoli Juve playd poorly in the 1st half...Luckly we did get a penalty (clear like the sky) early in the 2th (50min) and than the game was a little bit easyer...Trezgol just great, but that is why, he is there to scoore goals and i hope many more...:weee:

The best performanc this year is against Fiora IMO, the other games, "mama mia", just bad to watch...
Against Inter, that will be a tough one, the players must all stick together and fight 4 the JUVE colers, if they wont a positive result
 

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Bjerknes

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nope.

A good 45mins against weak opposition doesn't get you a start in this big a game.
Well so who else are we going to field? Nocerino has had on and off games as well, so what exactly justifies him being included in the starting XI? In Tiago's last two starts he's looked good and today he basically created our goals. Do we really want to bench a player who could potentially be hot right now? I don't think so, and something tells me Ranieri doesn't either.
 

Bjerknes

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He was pisspoor in the first half. He gets credit for playing a crucial part in each goal (no credit for that lame shot). Other than that, nothing special once again, i'm afraid. His contribution to our team play is below par. He is the one that is expected to drive the midfield forward, he did not do that. He left Zanetti isolated. Tiago missed a lot of passes. Didn't do much for our defensive play either. Couldnt send Salihamidzic or Palladino into spaces. When things are lame, he is in the position to up the tempo, spread the balls, but didn't happen.
I feel that's a little harsh, almost like you're solely blaming Tiago for the repugnant first half. From what I saw, the midfield and forwards were barely even making runs out there with exception to Iaquinta, so the whole side was rather lethargic.

Moreover, Tiago is not the sort of player to "drive" us up the pitch... the Gerrards, Ballacks, Nedveds, Gattusos do that sort of thing. If we are looking for drive, Tiago is not the answer as he is more of the finesse passer to provide the through balls, just like he did in the second half which led to the goals. I want to see him show for the ball more and pick it up more often, however, as he needs the ball at his feet to be effective. But I've never associated Tiago with "drive"... in my opinion he's not that sort of player. Now Nocerino on the other hand...
 

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Well so who else are we going to field? Nocerino has had on and off games as well, so what exactly justifies him being included in the starting XI? In Tiago's last two starts he's looked good and today he basically created our goals. Do we really want to bench a player who could potentially be hot right now? I don't think so, and something tells me Ranieri doesn't either.
Well I want 2 DM v Inter so that is Zanetti and Nocerino.

Nedved will come back in to the team.

I'm not necessarily against him playing if he is the best option, I just wouldn't pick him purely on the basis of a good 45.
 

Pingo

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Oct 31, 2007
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Uhh... I'm pretty sure that was Tiago who chipped the ball over the defense for Trezeguet...

I'm sure that was Palla who chipped the ball to Treze, but Tiago did fire a splendid free kick for 2:0, and than he fired a powerful shoot from the edge of the box...u know the rest...:D
 

Bjerknes

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Well I want 2 DM v Inter so that is Zanetti and Nocerino.

Nedved will come back in to the team.

I'm not necessarily against him playing if he is the best option, I just wouldn't pick him purely on the basis of a good 45.
I'm not necessarily choosing Tiago just because of this good forty-five today. But what I certainly DO NOT want to see is the straight 4-4-2 which will exactly shadow that of Inter's as that will be suicide. We need to control the ball against them and pressure with depth in midfield, so Nocerino and Zanetti plus Tiago and Nedved would be the way I would go. Anything but the straight 4-4-2.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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I'm not necessarily choosing Tiago just because of this good forty-five today. But what I certainly DO NOT want to see is the straight 4-4-2 which will exactly shadow that of Inter's as that will be suicide. We need to control the ball against them and pressure with depth in midfield, so Nocerino and Zanetti plus Tiago and Nedved would be the way I would go. Anything but the straight 4-4-2.
i cant believe you wouldnt play camo. inter have zlatan for pace, we need camo to attacking build-up.

camo=pace
 

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I'm not necessarily choosing Tiago just because of this good forty-five today. But what I certainly DO NOT want to see is the straight 4-4-2 which will exactly shadow that of Inter's as that will be suicide. We need to control the ball against them and pressure with depth in midfield, so Nocerino and Zanetti plus Tiago and Nedved would be the way I would go. Anything but the straight 4-4-2.
I wouldn't mind that.

I expect 4-3-3 with Zanetti, Nocerino, Nedved midfield and a Trez, Ale, Iaquinta attack.
 

Albertmare

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Mar 24, 2006
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Not bad my lads :) 3-0 , Forza Juventus .

heyy , i read some people said that Tiago assisted all of our goal yesterday ? :tup:
Glad for him .


Inter Merda , here we come !!! :eyebrows:
 

Vinman

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Very lame first half. We upped the tempo in the second half and with our physical attributes made life tough for Empoli, we closed them down well and suffocated them in their own half. We really were poor on the offensive side. We had no creativity, poor passing, poor player placement and poor movement. It was all very predictable. Two set-pieces and a rebound got us the win anyway. We played poorly, but did enough to secure a surprisingly convincing looking result nonetheless.
One more positive note, our makeshift defence handled themselves well. Bravo for that.

The best thing for me was seeing Marchionni and Camoranesi back. They give us much more creativity, technique(especially Camo), some explosiveness and width to our side. I hope Ranieri will try to use them both together consistently. They could solve a lot of the team's problems(wishful thinking?).

Player ratings(i'll keep it short):

Buffon
Hardly tested

Birindelli 6
Solid, actually one of the few to not hoof the ball forward in the first half.

Grygera 6
Good at one on one duels.

Criscito 6
Solid as well, too many longballs. At least some of them hit the target though.

Molinaro 6
Good at the back, his passing is erratic, but I like his runs and energy.

Salihamidzic 5.5
He has his effort and hard work going for him, but in a tight team against a defensive opponent he can't force anything. And we should expect from a player in his position in our formation to be able to make things happen down his flank. Dissapointing, didn't make any glaring mistakes though.

Zanetti 6
He was isolated in the first half and had to resort to a lot of longballs. At least he tries to take charge and spreads the play around in absence of any of the other midfielders trying to make play. Does his usual cleaning work as well as always of course and I think he finally didn't get a yellow card.

Palladino 5.5
A bit dissapointing today. Undisciplined and headless in his moves. He has a surprise element in his moves, but it lead to nothing today. He was looking good prior to this match, but in midfield Nedved,Camo and Marchionni simply offer more, same story upfont with DP, Iaquinta and Trez being the better players. Tough luck on the kid.

Iaquinta 6
Very good at what he does. I think he's great, though things didn't really go his way today in terms of productiveness. He's almost like a defender upfront, he wins so many balls.

Trezeguet 8
Man of the match. Hattrick, what more could we want.

DP, Camo, Marchionni; no rating.


And last but not least (well.. maybe he is :D)
Tiago 6.5
He was pisspoor in the first half. He gets credit for playing a crucial part in each goal (no credit for that lame shot). Other than that, nothing special once again, i'm afraid. His contribution to our team play is below par. He is the one that is expected to drive the midfield forward, he did not do that. He left Zanetti isolated. Tiago missed a lot of passes. Didn't do much for our defensive play either. Couldnt send Salihamidzic or Palladino into spaces. When things are lame, he is in the position to up the tempo, spread the balls, but didn't happen.
In his defence (before any of you brings it up), he has played little and with more time and consistent use of him, he'd be better. Also maybe we should place too much on his shouders. His semi-assists are very important and warrant more time on the pitch. In the end I expect better from someone in his role(and price..) frankly.
I agree with all of this (thanks for saving me some typing Dom :pint: ), and I will add-

what tactics is Raineri teaching our guys ?? Could it be English long-ball, pin-ball, give them the ball back as fast as you can ??

I am sick and tired of seeing our guys try the long-ball, only to give it back to them almost every damn time. The ONLY time we passed the ball around well is when Empoli was down to 10, and then 9 players in the dying minutes of the game

I won't accept the excuse that there were many guys in there who havent had a chance to play, because this has been happening every single game

Empoli had no attack until Giovinco came into the game, and none of the other Empoli players could hit the broadside of a barn when they shot the ball, so I'll reserve judgement on the defense today. I noticed that Criscito made a few mistakes in the first half that could have easily led to scoring chances against better teams (Inter)

I'm happy with the win, but damnit, when does the team as a whole begin to play better ??
 

Vinman

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and one other thing-

Tiago should be played as a trequartista...thats where he fits into the equation on this team
 

rainhard

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May 5, 2004
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and one other thing-

Tiago should be played as a trequartista...thats where he fits into the equation on this team
Agree, Tiago has great vision to give through ball for our attacker.
But if we play with trough ball, we need more speed for our attacker to catch the ball.

It's clear Tiago need more playing time to strengthen his understanding with the attacker.

If we play with 2 DM, our option is play the ball to wing then cross ball from the wing. We have 2 towering striker in Iaguinta and Trezegol. But they header just sucks. Beside that, our crossing is not great either.

With Tiago in more attacking role, he will provide the through ball straight from midfield to opponent box.

And when he get space, he can shoot from outside the box.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Thanks for the reports Andy and Dominic
I'm not necessarily choosing Tiago just because of this good forty-five today. But what I certainly DO NOT want to see is the straight 4-4-2 which will exactly shadow that of Inter's as that will be suicide. We need to control the ball against them and pressure with depth in midfield, so Nocerino and Zanetti plus Tiago and Nedved would be the way I would go. Anything but the straight 4-4-2.
I think we won't play with the 4-4-2 as all the big games we had we played with the 433 or something around that with focus on the counter attack. I dont think that will change as both camo and marchionni are not match fit yet.

I didn't see this game but i wouldn't look into it that much in regards to the performance. Just analyse the personnel for a second and thats why we didn't have a good passing game. The only players that could actually pass the ball were zanetti and an under played Tiago, so where would the crisp passing come in?

We didn't play that well but still didn't concede and were really solid in the back with a makeshift defense and scored three.

Finally why the hell Trezi is still shooting penalties right in the middle!
 

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