[Serie A] Juventus v Roma (4 Viewers)
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Are you trying to say the physio picks the team? Did you watch the Livorno game where Dp was havinghis thigh massaged so early in the game and Zlatan was actually warming up? Was Zlatan fit at all against Werder and Milan , was it the physio that picked him as well? What the hell has the press got to do with this?
How long did Dp last against Roma? 11 minutes, its not speculation, its fact
Blaming Capello for fielding unfit players is perfectly normal as it has not helped Zebina, Zlatan and now Dp. A physio might determine how fit a players is but its the manager who decides how many minutes that player can play
If we were not playing Arsenal tomorrow, no way in the world would Dp have started against Roma
If you are gonna be witty please come up with something more clever that if Dp pees in his pants, its not only not funny , it makes me wanna question some things about you.
How long did Dp last against Roma? 11 minutes, its not speculation, its fact
Blaming Capello for fielding unfit players is perfectly normal as it has not helped Zebina, Zlatan and now Dp. A physio might determine how fit a players is but its the manager who decides how many minutes that player can play
If we were not playing Arsenal tomorrow, no way in the world would Dp have started against Roma
If you are gonna be witty please come up with something more clever that if Dp pees in his pants, its not only not funny , it makes me wanna question some things about you.
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I think he has very good points, and I totally agree with him.
We have some people here that talks non-sense about Capello 24/7.
First of all, Capello is not a fucking God or a dictator, he can't decide the players if they are fit or not. There are Doctors the club are paying them to do there job, If there is a doctor that said, he shouldn't play, and Capello refused that, then that Doctor should have quit his job as fast as he can (If he doesn't have the authority to do his own fucking job)..
Secondly, DP is not a stupid person, he has enough experience about injuries, and he would know it if it was wrong to play or not, If you claim that he knew it, then he could easily refuse to play. So If he wasn't fit, and couldn't play and then he played, then he has the major responsibility for his injury.
This is turning to stupids fest here, you all are talking crap, like you know it all, like you are from inside of the club, know Capello, and the players very well.
Axlrose85 's last comments were sarcasm, but sadly, it is like that here..
Yet we didn't hear any negative comments from the players or doctors or the directors of the club, Man Capello should be something, the king of the evils, everyone is scared of him and his evil plans :rolleyes2
We have some people here that talks non-sense about Capello 24/7.
First of all, Capello is not a fucking God or a dictator, he can't decide the players if they are fit or not. There are Doctors the club are paying them to do there job, If there is a doctor that said, he shouldn't play, and Capello refused that, then that Doctor should have quit his job as fast as he can (If he doesn't have the authority to do his own fucking job)..
Secondly, DP is not a stupid person, he has enough experience about injuries, and he would know it if it was wrong to play or not, If you claim that he knew it, then he could easily refuse to play. So If he wasn't fit, and couldn't play and then he played, then he has the major responsibility for his injury.
This is turning to stupids fest here, you all are talking crap, like you know it all, like you are from inside of the club, know Capello, and the players very well.
Axlrose85 's last comments were sarcasm, but sadly, it is like that here..
Yet we didn't hear any negative comments from the players or doctors or the directors of the club, Man Capello should be something, the king of the evils, everyone is scared of him and his evil plans :rolleyes2
Please tell me you are not serious with that post, what have doctors got to do with it? Are you saying you have never heard players taking pain killing injections because of a game to go thru pain barrier? Are you saying those players are fit and it was the doctor that said they ought to play?
Would Dp have started this game if the Arsenal game was not in the horizon?
When we played Sampdoria, why did Zlatan and Trez misss the game , when we were meeting Werder Bremen the following week? Simple because they are Capello's top 2 and he always wants them to play in matches he regards as vital
Let me ask you this, if you were Dp and you know that the manager favours someone else over you, would you tell him you are not fit to play even if you were not? Would you not want to risk obeying the manager in favour of not been dropped completely? Do you remember Dp saying he is not playing behind the strikers in th buildup to the wc 2002? What happened to him then?
You guys always think we are having a go at Capello cos we have some kinda agenda against him.
Every single big game we have played this season, it does not matter about form orfitness, Zlatan has always partnered trez so no matter what it would have been Trez and Zlatan against Arsenal.
It just seems to me that you guys support Capello no matter what he does and you never seem to come up with anything id consider remotely credible as to why you do so
We draw and not attack at all against 10 man Milan, yes it was the right thing to do
The shoe is on the other foot, we have the 10 men against a youthful Roma, we could not hang on but Roma decided to attack us , but somehow its still the right thing to do.
Dp's form has been good, well that Capello, he is to take the praise
Dp plays and gets injured when he clearly is not fit, no thats Dp's fault after all he decided to play, nothing to do with Capello, he only picks the team
We have all seen how 10 men hang on and in some instances its harder to play against 10 men especially if its not 1 of the real defensive lynch pins that was sent off but an attacking player but somehow Capello gets praise for not hanging on to a lead against a side which has no strikers but this same people were blaming Mourinho for losing against a team with the best stike trio in world football having had a defender sent off when the game was 0-0 and they even scored first.
Dont worry Capello is God and everything he does is magic
Would Dp have started this game if the Arsenal game was not in the horizon?
When we played Sampdoria, why did Zlatan and Trez misss the game , when we were meeting Werder Bremen the following week? Simple because they are Capello's top 2 and he always wants them to play in matches he regards as vital
Let me ask you this, if you were Dp and you know that the manager favours someone else over you, would you tell him you are not fit to play even if you were not? Would you not want to risk obeying the manager in favour of not been dropped completely? Do you remember Dp saying he is not playing behind the strikers in th buildup to the wc 2002? What happened to him then?
You guys always think we are having a go at Capello cos we have some kinda agenda against him.
Every single big game we have played this season, it does not matter about form orfitness, Zlatan has always partnered trez so no matter what it would have been Trez and Zlatan against Arsenal.
It just seems to me that you guys support Capello no matter what he does and you never seem to come up with anything id consider remotely credible as to why you do so
We draw and not attack at all against 10 man Milan, yes it was the right thing to do
The shoe is on the other foot, we have the 10 men against a youthful Roma, we could not hang on but Roma decided to attack us , but somehow its still the right thing to do.
Dp's form has been good, well that Capello, he is to take the praise
Dp plays and gets injured when he clearly is not fit, no thats Dp's fault after all he decided to play, nothing to do with Capello, he only picks the team
We have all seen how 10 men hang on and in some instances its harder to play against 10 men especially if its not 1 of the real defensive lynch pins that was sent off but an attacking player but somehow Capello gets praise for not hanging on to a lead against a side which has no strikers but this same people were blaming Mourinho for losing against a team with the best stike trio in world football having had a defender sent off when the game was 0-0 and they even scored first.
Dont worry Capello is God and everything he does is magic
Doctors have to do with everything, they are always in touch with the players, and they know them very well If it is risky to play the players in a match or not, well If you think doctors are part of Capello's evil plans, I can't go on there..
Ofcourse I heard about pain killers, but the player can refuse ro take a painkiller the time he wants if that will hurt him in the future. and also a player can make sacrifices, but in the end, they are responsible for their own. It could be the same case for Zlatan too, when he played against Bremen, and also for Trezeguet and Zambrotta. when we played without Zambrotta against Bremen in Germany, we know very well what happened, so sometimes you can take risks too if the player is not 100% fit.
So you claimed there that cap didn't use trez and Zlatan against sampdoria, so that to use them against bremen right? well your theory doesn't approve here, since zlatan started here also, then he wasn't goin to start against Arsenal? hmm..
again, that is his responsibility too, but you can't compare that with Trap's tactics, that he wants to use him behind the striker, there that's totally DP fault, he has to play the place the coach wants him to play, this is not primary school or so, they were there to represent the Italian NT, and it is wrong to have that attitude, even if the coach's plan was wrong.. now what? he is playing on the side with Lippi's formation, why he didn't refuse that? I guess he learned his mistakes..
some people have that here, but I didn't include you in that category, I don't know if you taught the whole post (the previous one) was dircted to you, it wasn't. I remember very well before that you supported Capello somewhere many times, even though you don't like him.
nothing wrong with that at all, He has his two players that believes in most, and he also believes that DP is a great/super Sub, that is more usefull when he comes from the bench to save the result.. It is working good, why should I have an opposite view of that? my answer is no.
Correction, we played against Roma with 10 men the rest of 45-50 minutes, we played it with 3 days before the Arsenal match (so we shouldn't spend more energy for the second goal), and for God's sake, what were you expecting, we are playing with 10 men, and leading 1-0, you are saying that we should score the second goal too?? with 10 men??
and how could you compare that to Milan's game, in which we only needed to stop them of getting the 3 points.and they only played the last 15 minutes or so with ten men. They had to score against us, not we.
same things you said, will reply the same way. Capello job was to stop Milan, and yes he did, Roma match wasn't important match, even a point was ok with us, and yes he earned that point, tough he was on his way to win the whole 3 points, if lucky Roma couldn't score in the last minutes against a 10 men Juve, that played the whole half of the game with 10 men, and were leading with a goal up, We didn't lost the game, does that mean something to you?
and for those who are claiming that Capello put DP in the game, so that he will get injured, so why did Zlatan played against Bremen, if he was injured too? so that zlatan will get injured too? was that also part of the evil plans? then Capello is Juve's #1 enemy I guess. and he is punishing us with winning trophies with Juve, saaaaaaaaaack him
Ofcourse I heard about pain killers, but the player can refuse ro take a painkiller the time he wants if that will hurt him in the future. and also a player can make sacrifices, but in the end, they are responsible for their own. It could be the same case for Zlatan too, when he played against Bremen, and also for Trezeguet and Zambrotta. when we played without Zambrotta against Bremen in Germany, we know very well what happened, so sometimes you can take risks too if the player is not 100% fit.
So you claimed there that cap didn't use trez and Zlatan against sampdoria, so that to use them against bremen right? well your theory doesn't approve here, since zlatan started here also, then he wasn't goin to start against Arsenal? hmm..
again, that is his responsibility too, but you can't compare that with Trap's tactics, that he wants to use him behind the striker, there that's totally DP fault, he has to play the place the coach wants him to play, this is not primary school or so, they were there to represent the Italian NT, and it is wrong to have that attitude, even if the coach's plan was wrong.. now what? he is playing on the side with Lippi's formation, why he didn't refuse that? I guess he learned his mistakes..
some people have that here, but I didn't include you in that category, I don't know if you taught the whole post (the previous one) was dircted to you, it wasn't. I remember very well before that you supported Capello somewhere many times, even though you don't like him.
nothing wrong with that at all, He has his two players that believes in most, and he also believes that DP is a great/super Sub, that is more usefull when he comes from the bench to save the result.. It is working good, why should I have an opposite view of that? my answer is no.
Correction, we played against Roma with 10 men the rest of 45-50 minutes, we played it with 3 days before the Arsenal match (so we shouldn't spend more energy for the second goal), and for God's sake, what were you expecting, we are playing with 10 men, and leading 1-0, you are saying that we should score the second goal too?? with 10 men??
and how could you compare that to Milan's game, in which we only needed to stop them of getting the 3 points.and they only played the last 15 minutes or so with ten men. They had to score against us, not we.
same things you said, will reply the same way. Capello job was to stop Milan, and yes he did, Roma match wasn't important match, even a point was ok with us, and yes he earned that point, tough he was on his way to win the whole 3 points, if lucky Roma couldn't score in the last minutes against a 10 men Juve, that played the whole half of the game with 10 men, and were leading with a goal up, We didn't lost the game, does that mean something to you?
and for those who are claiming that Capello put DP in the game, so that he will get injured, so why did Zlatan played against Bremen, if he was injured too? so that zlatan will get injured too? was that also part of the evil plans? then Capello is Juve's #1 enemy I guess. and he is punishing us with winning trophies with Juve, saaaaaaaaaack him
well u made very valid points there.And here is wat i think
abt alex i dont want to put myself in position where i know all the facts, the only fact i know is that i didnt see any irregular running from the captain in the livorno game. So this gives me the conclusion that there wasnt any porblems with him.All the other things i heard are all jibberish from the media. Another fact is that no coach would field an unfit player.
abt opting for benching trezi, if u see the livorno game closely, just before his substitution..trezi was waving his hand signalling for a change.I thought he caught an injury.Or mybe he was just tired i dont know, but imo he ran and moved alot in that game, so mybe it wasnt part of cap's plan to sub trezi imo.He had too.So mybe he didnt want to risk him, as he could our most important player at moment in that front line, not alex not ibra.
abt chiellini, i was surprised too. But the only way i could understand it is that he needed someone more of a hardworker in the midfield and someone stronge and would throw himself at anything.Fielding zambro would be very dangerous as the game was very physical in midfield.
But i would've opted for balza there anyway, or even mutu(although with his defending he would be a reliability with 10 men)
i agree that we shouldn't take this draw out of proportion, but i think the team gave a top defensive game.Which is good enough for me with 10 men.
i agree about neddy, 33 yrs old and still doing those things who u would expect arjen robben to do with the latter being younger than with about 13 years.
I was disappointed with ibra not holding the ball, which was one of his best attributes.But the kid is showing signs of progress in regards to his movements and his all over spirit.
Those stoppages just pissed me off especially dacourt,IF UR NOT FIT GET OUT ,rather than falling on the ground every 5 mins.
abt alex i dont want to put myself in position where i know all the facts, the only fact i know is that i didnt see any irregular running from the captain in the livorno game. So this gives me the conclusion that there wasnt any porblems with him.All the other things i heard are all jibberish from the media. Another fact is that no coach would field an unfit player.
abt opting for benching trezi, if u see the livorno game closely, just before his substitution..trezi was waving his hand signalling for a change.I thought he caught an injury.Or mybe he was just tired i dont know, but imo he ran and moved alot in that game, so mybe it wasnt part of cap's plan to sub trezi imo.He had too.So mybe he didnt want to risk him, as he could our most important player at moment in that front line, not alex not ibra.
abt chiellini, i was surprised too. But the only way i could understand it is that he needed someone more of a hardworker in the midfield and someone stronge and would throw himself at anything.Fielding zambro would be very dangerous as the game was very physical in midfield.
But i would've opted for balza there anyway, or even mutu(although with his defending he would be a reliability with 10 men)
i agree that we shouldn't take this draw out of proportion, but i think the team gave a top defensive game.Which is good enough for me with 10 men.
i agree about neddy, 33 yrs old and still doing those things who u would expect arjen robben to do with the latter being younger than with about 13 years.
I was disappointed with ibra not holding the ball, which was one of his best attributes.But the kid is showing signs of progress in regards to his movements and his all over spirit.
Those stoppages just pissed me off especially dacourt,IF UR NOT FIT GET OUT ,rather than falling on the ground every 5 mins.
please tell me WHO declares a player fit or unfit?please tell me WHO's job is to make sure that a player that a player is fit enough to start at a game?
is it capello?no its not.its the PHYSIO.
and what exactly has his lasting 11 minutes got to do with blaming capello?if anyone is to blame,it should be the physios and NOT capello.the physio delcared him fit for the game,so him getting injured has got nothing to with placing the blame on capello.and didnt u read del piero's comments about the injury picked up against roma NOT being a recurring one?and the press is got a lot to do with it.the press printed stories of del piero being unfit in midweek which everyone believed.he was probably unfit during the week,but he must have passed the medical before the match to be on the starting 11.
my last few lines were sarcastic,but obviously you didnt pick any of it.there is a general 'we hate capello' vibe on this forum wether you accept it or not,and everything negative is blamed on him.he can be blamed for his tactics,he can be blamed for fielding player out of position,he can be blamed for being too defensive,he can be blamed for prefering out of form players over in form ones,but no way in hell can he be blamed for del piero's injury.
i respect what you say everytime,but this one time i have to strongly disagree.blaming capello is wrong.if anyone is to be blamed,it should be the physio.
is it capello?no its not.its the PHYSIO.
and what exactly has his lasting 11 minutes got to do with blaming capello?if anyone is to blame,it should be the physios and NOT capello.the physio delcared him fit for the game,so him getting injured has got nothing to with placing the blame on capello.and didnt u read del piero's comments about the injury picked up against roma NOT being a recurring one?and the press is got a lot to do with it.the press printed stories of del piero being unfit in midweek which everyone believed.he was probably unfit during the week,but he must have passed the medical before the match to be on the starting 11.
my last few lines were sarcastic,but obviously you didnt pick any of it.there is a general 'we hate capello' vibe on this forum wether you accept it or not,and everything negative is blamed on him.he can be blamed for his tactics,he can be blamed for fielding player out of position,he can be blamed for being too defensive,he can be blamed for prefering out of form players over in form ones,but no way in hell can he be blamed for del piero's injury.
i respect what you say everytime,but this one time i have to strongly disagree.blaming capello is wrong.if anyone is to be blamed,it should be the physio.
I wonder now if its the physios we will blame for fielding players against Arsenal that were certainly unfit like Zebina.
Snoop : I did not say Capello fielded Dp so as to injure him , i said he fielded him because he was saving Zlatan and Trez for the arsenal game. Are you saying that you think if Dp did not go off injured, Zlatan would have finished that game? How many times this season have we seen capello play both f his top 2 for 45 mins when there is Cl in midweek?
The fact remains that Capello always plays his top2 in the important games
Sateeh: Are you saying you did not see Dp getting treatment on his thigh against Livorno in the first half?
Axlrose: i am sorry i cannot go along with blaming the physio, he does not pick the team, he can olny say if he thinks the player can play a certain amount of time, its got nothing to do with the press either, as i saw that game and i saw Dp getting treatment very early in the first half with them rubbing his thighs. Zebina as well was struggling in that game as he too is not fit but Capello will always insist on using him if he considers him any where near fit
I am not sure if its naivety or not but how many times ahave you seens managers fielding players that are not match fit cos of 1 reason or the other
Snoop : I did not say Capello fielded Dp so as to injure him , i said he fielded him because he was saving Zlatan and Trez for the arsenal game. Are you saying that you think if Dp did not go off injured, Zlatan would have finished that game? How many times this season have we seen capello play both f his top 2 for 45 mins when there is Cl in midweek?
The fact remains that Capello always plays his top2 in the important games
Sateeh: Are you saying you did not see Dp getting treatment on his thigh against Livorno in the first half?
Axlrose: i am sorry i cannot go along with blaming the physio, he does not pick the team, he can olny say if he thinks the player can play a certain amount of time, its got nothing to do with the press either, as i saw that game and i saw Dp getting treatment very early in the first half with them rubbing his thighs. Zebina as well was struggling in that game as he too is not fit but Capello will always insist on using him if he considers him any where near fit
I am not sure if its naivety or not but how many times ahave you seens managers fielding players that are not match fit cos of 1 reason or the other
