[Serie A] Juventus - Udinese (4 Viewers)

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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Erkka said:
Well, no need to bang the walls here. He has a point. Looking at his history overall, with every single club he managed, NOBODY can claim that he is overrated. After all, they are on their own league along with Trapattoni and Sacchi. With Juve? Well, that's an another thing, but the facts so far speak for themselves, I'd love to agree with you because of my deep dislike towards him, but it's simply not possible considering the facts...

You and him actually didn't understand what I was talking about. Why do I have to talk about Capello's history here??? and Please I've had lot of discussion about Capello here, I'm not going to praise him for keeping us up in the Serie A. With the quality players we have I atleast expect us to be in France in may.

Back to my post, I was reffering to his treatment to Ale, If Capello has won with Milan,Real,Roma doesn't mean he cant be criticized. His Subs and Formation are pathetic IMO.
 

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Erkka

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Mar 31, 2004
3,863
Azzurri7 said:
You and him actually didn't understand what I was talking about. Why do I have to talk about Capello's history here??? and Please I've had lot of discussion about Capello here, I'm not going to praise him for keeping us up in the Serie A. With the quality players we have I atleast expect us to be in France in may.

Back to my post, I was reffering to his treatment to Ale, If Capello has won with Milan,Real,Roma doesn't mean he cant be criticized. His Subs and Formation are pathetic IMO.
Nope, I understood perfectly what you meant. I barely reminded you that he is the coach and he has won pretty much everywhere except lousy Coppa so far, so don't push it over the line. Cup-competitions are always more about luck than long leagues.

About his treatment towards Del Piero, I wholeheartedly agree, I simply can't understand why Pintu doesn't play more. About formations and substitutions, it would be foolish to agree when you look at his record with Juve so far.
 
Sep 28, 2002
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Erkka said:
Well, no need to bang the walls here. He has a point. Looking at his history overall, with every single club he managed, NOBODY can claim that he is overrated. After all, they are on their own league along with Trapattoni and Sacchi. With Juve? Well, that's an another thing, but the facts so far speak for themselves, I'd love to agree with you because of my deep dislike towards him, but it's simply not possible considering the facts...
i'll keep my right to hate him and therefore say he's overrated. no, actually i dont think he's overrated but god only seeing his face makes me sick
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
Zlatan was crap in this game and he has been crap for a long time. Zlatan fans , shut up already and move on. This is not Zlatan's football club and its sickening to read too many comments on a player who is going thru a terrible patch. Personnaly i would have dropped him but the problem with that , is he is just as useless when he comes on as a sub unlike DP who is likely to do some damage coming on as a sub. Its not even fun reading posts on this forum anymore polluted by rubbish about Zlatan this Zlatan that, its disgusting and BORING.Zlatan fans if you do not like this post well tough shite as i do not give a crap cos u have completely downgraded this forum and thats unforgiveable. Always defending the indefensible and boring us shitless in the process without anything insightful to say

Capello and his favourites, he came and said crap about being a coach with untouchables in his side but we all know thats horseshit. Zlatan, Trez, Thuram, Nedved, Emerson and Vieira are his untouchables and his scapegoats are Dp, Camo, Mutu and Balzaretti where when anything goes wrong he drops them or subs them.
We play such attacking play against Ascoli last week with Dp and Trez playing very well but what does he do, he brings his fave into the fray ie Zlatan who then proceeds to act like this was a practice session with flicks and tricks that were going nowhere and almost complete lack of effort.
Nedved for me was abysmal but he finished the game whilst Camo and Mutu were subbed. Once Zebina comes back Balzaretti gets the chop.

Again the big teams get the decisions as Dp was offside and Cannavaro got away with it whilst Roma called Nedved an instigator last week and u can see why with his disgraceful behaviour getting Muntari sent off. He is a diver and has always been, but then he was inspirational so we could forgive him now he is just a nuisance.

Capello decided to play a more creative player with Emerson but of cos he will fook up, why not play Nedved there and Camo on the right, no he gets it ass about head and we just looked foolish out there.

Buffon : Not a lot to do 5.5
Zambrotta: was the best player as he went up and down and provided our only drive 7
Thuram: didnt have a lot to do but he will be better placed to concentrate on the game instead of arguing with officials as if not for Cannavaro we would have drawn the game 5.5
Cannavaro : if not for his last ditch tackle id have given same mark as Thuram as he didnt have a lot to do 6
Emerson@ did his usual job 6
Camoranesi: Out of position completely and when he went to the wing he did put in a telling cross 5.5
Balzaretti: started off brightly but his crosses were very poor 5.5
Nedved: he was just poor and apart from a good shot he continually gave the ball away 5
Mutu: tried his best and was even asked to play as Emo's partner, how bizarre 5.5
Zlatan: Not in good form at all 5
Trez: Not involved as he was laast week and didnt really have too many chances 5.5
Dp: scored a goal, hit a good free kick was catalyst for our better plays but expect to be on the bench agaist Parma 6
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
Yoy have to feel sorry for Zlatan...I think he played well, and was just a bit unlucky.

DP e un fenomeno (think that's right..)
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
Erkka said:
Nope, I understood perfectly what you meant. I barely reminded you that he is the coach and he has won pretty much everywhere except lousy Coppa so far, so don't push it over the line. Cup-competitions are always more about luck than long leagues.

About his treatment towards Del Piero, I wholeheartedly agree, I simply can't understand why Pintu doesn't play more. About formations and substitutions, it would be foolish to agree when you look at his record with Juve so far.

Most ppl over here keeps reminding us about his titles and these stuff(not refferin to you), But that doesn't mean the man can't be criticized, If I criticize him is because I want the best for my team, I want the Champions League and to avoid Bremen without no Problems and not to have another dilemma like the Liverpool one. If I ask Del Piero to play more isn't because he's my Idol and atc, thats because he's Inform and he's performing great, no one can deny that. Sadly most of Capello fans and Zlatan can't see this.

About his Formation, Ofcoarse we wont have difficulties knowing that nobody can even race with us, but In Europe I'd ask another Formation, 4-4-2 is kinda old Fashion and not welcome anymore. We're playing defensivly most of the time which it doesn't suit our players and the quality we have in this squad.

About his Subs, Benching Dp then playing him is kinda foolish aswell, or taking any inform player and putting another player just to play 1min or 2min is also foolish IMO.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
denco said:
Again the big teams get the decisions as Dp was offside and Cannavaro got away with it whilst Roma called Nedved an instigator last week and u can see why with his disgraceful behaviour getting Muntari sent off. He is a diver and has always been, but then he was inspirational so we could forgive him now he is just a nuisance.
Thats not true, Nedved used to be the most frequently fouled player in the entire Serie a, he never complained,
i remeber many cases he got kicked from the back insteed of whinning for the foul, he got up, (as a fighter he is) like nothing happened and kept running...
 

Erkka

Senior Member
Mar 31, 2004
3,863
Azzurri7 said:
Most ppl over here keeps reminding us about his titles and these stuff(not refferin to you), But that doesn't mean the man can't be criticized, If I criticize him is because I want the best for my team, I want the Champions League and to avoid Bremen without no Problems and not to have another dilemma like the Liverpool one. If I ask Del Piero to play more isn't because he's my Idol and atc, thats because he's Inform and he's performing great, no one can deny that. Sadly most of Capello fans and Zlatan can't see this.

About his Formation, Ofcoarse we wont have difficulties knowing that nobody can even race with us, but In Europe I'd ask another Formation, 4-4-2 is kinda old Fashion and not welcome anymore. We're playing defensivly most of the time which it doesn't suit our players and the quality we have in this squad.

About his Subs, Benching Dp then playing him is kinda foolish aswell, or taking any inform player and putting another player just to play 1min or 2min is also foolish IMO.
Then don't mention it to me, because I'm not one of those ignorant fvckers. Neither am I a blind DP-fanatic. About Europe, it's a cup-type of competition so it also depends on luck. Last year we lacked it, and lost to 'Pool. Still it would be unfair towards him to judge him based on that. It's not won with the tactics after all, or do you really think that Milan would have lost it? Or why didn't Barcelona, Chelsea or Juve won it? The important factor is called luck and series of small victories. Some teams have luck and got on their "flow", and therefor become very hard to beat. Liverpool did that last time, as did Porto before that etc. etc.

...You really expect Italian coach, who is known as quite conservative to attack?! Well, that's just :howler:

I'd like to quote Fliakis who described my feelings too:

Fliakis said:
i'll keep my right to hate him. no, actually i dont think he's overrated but god only seeing his face makes me sick
 

Erkka

Senior Member
Mar 31, 2004
3,863
Cronios said:
Thats not true, Nedved used to be the most frequently fouled player in the entire Serie a, he never complained,
i remeber many cases he got kicked from the back insteed of whinning for the foul, he got up, (as a fighter he is) like nothing happened and kept running...
Oh yes it is true, Nedved is one of the most known divers nowadays. Well, naturally Figo, the Inzaghi brothers etc. come before him, but still he is a diver.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
7,327
Cronios said:
Thats not true, Nedved used to be the most frequently fouled player in the entire Serie a, he never complained,
i remeber many cases he got kicked from the back insteed of whinning for the foul, he got up, (as a fighter he is) like nothing happened and kept running...
There's a reason he's called glasslegs, except his proneness to injuries.
 
Sep 28, 2002
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Cronios said:
Thats not true, Nedved used to be the most frequently fouled player in the entire Serie a, he never complained,
i remeber many cases he got kicked from the back insteed of whinning for the foul, he got up, (as a fighter he is) like nothing happened and kept running...
nedved is the biggest diver at juve no doubt. he is (or rather was) kicked a lot but then he just started diving a lot when he was barely touched
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
16,643
I didnt like that in the second half when udi played with one player less we had problems keeping posetion and creating chanses....
 

jumbo

Juve all time top scorer
Nov 7, 2004
308
I wonder what this forum must have looked like 10 years ago when DP drove Baggio out of Juve. Was the Baggio (equivlient of DP lovers now) lovers and DP lovers (Zlatan lovers) fightning like this too?

Will I ever read a match thread without the DP vs Zlatan sub-pretext? :D

Damn.
 

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