[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-2 Roma (Jan. 23rd 2010) (13 Viewers)

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
14,980
1 thing that is clear to me, is, that the likes of Amauri (I'm sick of seeing him), Legro, Grosso, Cannavaro, Melo, Del Piero, Poulsen, Iaquinta, Trez, Camo, Grygera, Zebina, Molinaro and last but NOT least by any stretch of the imagination CIRO FERRARA should all be gone after this season. Who is not old and past it is either average or downright mediocre, NOT Juventus material.
That is possibly, the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet, and there's a lot of stupid things on the internet.
 

Buy on AliExpress.com
Jan 14, 2010
270
Ratings for this game

Buffon 6 (can't blame him for his red it was a profesional foul and he knew what he was doing when he did it)

Cheillini 4 (his poor play led to the penalty, in a time like this crisis we are in where do you get time going forward? stay in defense!)

Legro 4

Grosso 3 (Is it just me? because all Grosso does is play long balls)

Grygera 4

Sissoko 6 (would have been higher but he need to clean up his passing game, but his workrate is without question)

Marchisio 5

Salihimidic 3 (what is his contribution? somebody please tell me)

Diego 5.5 (He needs help, he can't do it by himself and unfortunately for him the team is making him look bad)

Del Piero 5.5 (for the goal)

Amauri .5 (players like him is why Juve is in this mess and look like a Serie B team)

Ferrara 1 (can't coach and should resign and save us further embarrassment every 1 is having thier 1st against us under ferrera, it's either 1st win or in Totti's case fiirst goal in Turin against us)
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
That is possibly, the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet, and there's a lot of stupid things on the internet.
How is that the stupidest thing? all of them can be sold, are you kidding me? non of them is good enough to play at the highest level ATM. That's why we are getting embarrassed week in week out by even the bottom table teams.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
But that's all BS, no disrespect to Alen, of course.

It's the typical, "oh, well so and so player would have done that, too, so it's OK", without any proof.

People have to man up and place blame on Candreva because it was his man. Brazzo had to look after a guy in front of him, and so did our new boy.

It's PATHETIC how folks are not placing any blame on him just because he's new. PATHETIC.

Say, here you go. Bernard Madoff cheated folks out of billions. If he did it, who cares if Moggi did? Bring him back!
You know what bothers me the most,in that clear situation Riise had (and believe me I'm not a Candreva fan, I just think he didn't made a defensive mistake simpy because it's not his part of the job) Amauri wouldn't have scored.
Amauri had 2 clear headers today,both went straight to Sergio's hands.
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
Looking at our schedule, we still have to go to the San Paolo to play a rejuvenated Napoli a stadium where we have not won in since forever, Florence to play a CL contender Fiorentina and have to go to the San Siro not once but twice. With our current form forget CL spot... we may not even make it into Europe next season.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
1 thing that is clear to me, is, that the likes of Amauri (I'm sick of seeing him), Legro, Grosso, Cannavaro, Melo, Del Piero, Poulsen, Iaquinta, Trez, Camo, Grygera, Zebina, Molinaro and last but NOT least by any stretch of the imagination CIRO FERRARA should all be gone after this season. Who is not old and past it is either average or downright mediocre, NOT Juventus material.

Why Camo???
Why Iq??
Why Melo who was played of the position almost all the time?
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Ranieri shouldn't be praised at all today btw. I mean i think he was really poor in the way he conducted this match. Even with Juve playing with ten men he didn't want to commit forward and try and win the game. It was just that Juve were really poor today, giving away a needless penalty and having zero marking for the second goal.
Ranieri deserves praise for what he has done at Roma in a very short amount of time. They were messy. He has fixed them. Not through any magical tactical innovations, but through training and discipline, gelling them into something with desire and solidity. Admittedly, WE are not a big scalp anymore. Roma can just feel as joyful as Chievo, Catania, Bari, Napoli and the other great clubs who have humiliated us and outplayed us.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,786
How is that the stupidest thing? all of them can be sold, are you kidding me? non of them is good enough to play at the highest level ATM. That's why we are getting embarrassed week in week out by even the bottom table teams.
Umm, it is the stupidest thing. All of them can be sold. But doing a complete churn on your team (let alone with this front office) is not only inordinately expensive to rebuild from scratch, but it throws a bunch of people together who have never played together before.

What you're suggesting is a recipe for both financial and form disaster. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
I'm tired of all his injuries, I think we can get something for him. lets rebuild this team and do it right. We already have a core of young starlets (Giovinco, Cheillini, Diego, Marchisio, Sissoko, Caceres, Candreva, De Ceglie, Ariudo, Marrone and Immobilie). Ekdal, Criscito and Palladino are our players and should be brought back. If we can get Pazzini, G.Rossi, a CB to partner Cheillini (Bonucci or Kjaer) we can have a team like this next season:

Buffon

Caceres Bonucci Cheillini Criscito

Sissoko (Ekdal) Marchisio (Candreva)

G. Rossi Diego Giovinco

Pazzini
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
Umm, it is the stupidest thing. All of them can be sold. But doing a complete churn on your team (let alone with this front office) is not only inordinately expensive to rebuild from scratch, but it throws a bunch of people together who have never played together before.

What you're suggesting is a recipe for both financial and form disaster. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Nobody said rebuild from scratch because we already have a foundation of youth in the team plus we have players out on loan who can give this team a huge boast.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
I'm tired of all his injuries, I think we can get something for him. lets rebuild this team and do it right. We already have a core of young starlets (Giovinco, Cheillini, Diego, Marchisio, Sissoko, Caceres, Candreva, De Ceglie, Ariudo, Marrone and Immobilie). Ekdal, Criscito and Palladino are our players and should be brought back. If we can get Pazzini, G.Rossi, a CB to partner Cheillini (Bonucci or Kjaer) we can have a team like this next season:

Buffon

Caceres Bonucci Cheillini Criscito

Sissoko (Ekdal) Marchisio (Candreva)

G. Rossi Diego Giovinco

Pazzini
Only Pazzini - Rossi pair would cost us 50 mil.
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
Only Pazzini - Rossi pair would cost us 50 mil.
No it shouldn't, It's no question that Rossi wants out of Villareal, his performance have not been up to standard this season. I think Villareal if push come to shove will settle for 12-15 million because they're not going to get 20 million for him. Pazzini will cost us something between 18-22 million but if we can sell some of the current players we can make up some of the difference.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
I just don't want to hear or see Grosso for the rest of the season please. Even Molinaro wasn't as weak as he is defensively. And on top of that, he's such a selfish player going forward.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
No it shouldn't, It's no question that Rossi wants out of Villareal, his performance have not been up to standard this season. I think Villareal if push come to shove will settle for 12-15 million because they're not going to get 20 million for him. Pazzini will cost us something between 18-22 million but if we can sell some of the current players we can make up some of the difference.
Kjaer not under 15 mil (just have in your mind Caceres has releasing clause of 12 mil)
Than both inter and milan could enter the race for Rossi which would increase his price.
I find Pazzini really unneaded.

So in the best case we could get those mentioned for 62 mil(!).
We don't have the money for these adventures ,we're ut of C.L. ,most probably we won't play it next year (referring to our current results),nad that's just 4 players for 62 mil.

Where is Criscito,where is another LB,where is another RB and 2 strikers we need if we sell both Trez-Iq....?
 

cimenk

Senior Member
Jul 23, 2008
3,136
i think its not right to blame any player... losing to chievo, cagliari, catania, bari is more than enough to insure that Ferrara have no clue of what hes doing.

Ferrara cant win every game even with a better players, the best coaches are the ones who get the best out of every player they have and change plans for every match depending on who they are playing against and what players they have available...

Ferrara doesnt seem to have this, the players just dont know what to do with the ball his tactics and his plans is completely chaos.
:agree: Under Ferrara we can't even get a draw, although we played at home or either we have all the advantage playing home and against a rock bottom team that just change their coach (i.e. Catania)

How many lost records we already get under Ferrara? How many home losses we get too? And how many times we concede last time goal (Roma, Catania, Bologna), or how many times we concede from opponent free kick when our players are disorganized (Roma (a), Bologna, Cagliari, Inter)?
 

cimenk

Senior Member
Jul 23, 2008
3,136
Ranieri deserves praise for what he has done at Roma in a very short amount of time. They were messy. He has fixed them. Not through any magical tactical innovations, but through training and discipline, gelling them into something with desire and solidity. Admittedly, WE are not a big scalp anymore. Roma can just feel as joyful as Chievo, Catania, Bari, Napoli and the other great clubs who have humiliated us and outplayed us.
:tup: I agree with u.. Roma is done worse in the beginning of the season. And their defense has been horrible since last season. Ranieri came and fixed them, now they become 3rd in Serie A. How you can deny if this Ranieri work? Actually Ranieri is not a very bad coach, he is one of a good coach in Serie A for sure. And although his style of football is boring and defensive, but his style suit pretty well with Serie A. He's not a winning coach either but the team under him can achieve at least 2-3 spot in Serie A
 
Jan 14, 2010
270
Kjaer not under 15 mil (just have in your mind Caceres has releasing clause of 12 mil)
Than both inter and milan could enter the race for Rossi which would increase his price.
I find Pazzini really unneaded.

So in the best case we could get those mentioned for 62 mil(!).
We don't have the money for these adventures ,we're ut of C.L. ,most probably we won't play it next year (referring to our current results),nad that's just 4 players for 62 mil.

Where is Criscito,where is another LB,where is another RB and 2 strikers we need if we sell both Trez-Iq....?
Inter will not be going for Rossi and Milan is after Dzeko

Kjaer or Bonucci will do go for the cheapest 1 their both very good.

Pazzini is very much needed, he scores goals given the chance unlike the the fool we have now (Amauri).
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643

And to think today is Agnelli`s death anniversary. May he rest in peace, though i am not sure he can rest, cause he was someone who cared about this team. Someone who was passionate about this team.

Forget about the average manager and bad transfers and etc. Our board consists of people who dont care about Juventus. Sometimes i see people here making fun of the Juventus material thing, well they might have a point. Our board doesnt seem to care about Juventus at all. Hence they aint Juventus material.


I wish someone could come and change these things. We have so many problems, and we are making things worse day by day because of this board. I wish there would be out there people who could come in and change things, but sadly there aint. There is no Gianni out there. The Elkanns are either busy doing drugs or are concentrating on other businesses, like FIAT Grupp.

No wonder things are going bad, Gigli finishes his "project" and Blanc just takes over. Since when is Juventus president position something you can just toy around. Or any president position?

Like i said, no wonder things are like they are, this is project for the board, not for the team. Blanc is just happy to have gotten a new position, Gigli is now busy with other stuff (juve was just a short spell career move for him).

A proper organization, which a football club also is, needs a proper management, president, people with clear vision, people who are ready to give their whole career for the organization, people who bread football and have a good business sense. People like Gianni Agnelli. People like Gigli and Blanc are just happy to add something to their CV, sooner or later Blanc will probably end his "project" and we will have another careless puppy coming in.

But i dont see anyone good enough taking these things over.

If we dont make that 4th CL place then our future might get even darker.

Bettega is the only hope, but as things stand, he has proven to be a man who either lacks the managerial aspects, or just doesnt have big enough balls to make changes happen.

I am seriously wondering if we should replace the owner of our beloved club; meaning sell the club, cause clearly the Agnellis hair are not giving their all for this club.


F--k the board, there is no point to even talk about the game.

We can say that Ciro should go, but i am sensing that Ciro doesnt want to go cause he CARES, thats the difference between him and people like Gigli and Blanc. Ciro might be doing really bad, but at least he has a point, he doesnt want to leave, cause if we leaves, the way this is going, we wont appoint Hiddink but Blanc will bring one of his next door neighbors.
 
OP

Mark

The Informer
Administrator
Dec 19, 2003
97,671
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread Starter #940
    Well hmm err we lost, AGAIN! Totally numb about this defeat. Before when Juve lost 1 in 10 I went nuts. Yeah, I was greedy but now it's been what? 8 in 11? :sergio:

    bah! Serie B was nice, we're sympathetic now, it's all good! May the plan continue.
     

    Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 12)