[Serie A] Cagliari - Juventus (05/02/2011) (15 Viewers)

tpain

tpain

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oh ya...chelsea is going to have a sumemr clear out. Didier Drogba, Florent Malouda, John Obi Mikel, Jose Bosingwa and Yuri Zhirkov are all going on sale. I think every single one of this players are worthy of wearing juve shirt more than the likes of Amauri grygera de ceglie
 
Gian

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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No secret there but I think some of them are on pretty high wages.
Zhirkov, would be a FIFA dream coming true :heart:
 
Bjerknes

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Alen said:
Yes, it becomes too obvious if you get a chance to watch some of our matches under Ranieri. The defenders were the same, or at least of the same quality, but the defense worked much better than today, especially on set pieces.
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Red said:
People forget that Juve's defence was pretty damn good back then.

The high line and the aggressive offside trap, with Sissoko running around like a madman kicking everything than moved in midfield, with the ever sensible Zanetti beside him all meant that the opposition had to work far, far harder to find space against that Juve than they do against the current Juve.

The couple of years of defending pretty well under Ranieri, considering the defenders at the club then, ended up being over-shadowed by one or two disasterous games (at home v Chievo is the main one that springs to mind).
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I'd say the level of quality was pretty much the same with Ranieri's defense. It was a zonal defense, as you mentioned we played tightly with the midfield contributing to its success at times. From my experience playing a zonal defense it works if you have somewhat competent fullbacks and players with some level of football intelligence, which we apparently don't have judging by all the times these attackers get behind Gryger, Grosso, et cetera. They don't even know what it means to remain goalside of an attacker. So the CB's have to get sucked out and that destroys the competency of the zonal back four.

And as we have seen on some set piece situations, some of these guys can't mark anyway, so the man to man setup wouldn't save us either.
 
Red

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Bjerknes said:
I'd say the level of quality was pretty much the same with Ranieri's defense. It was a zonal defense, as you mentioned we played tightly with the midfield contributing to its success at times. From my experience playing a zonal defense it works if you have somewhat competent fullbacks and players with some level of football intelligence, which we apparently don't have judging by all the times these attackers get behind Gryger, Grosso, et cetera. They don't even know what it means to remain goalside of an attacker. So the CB's have to get sucked out and that destroys the competency of the zonal back four.

And as we have seen on some set piece situations, some of these guys can't mark anyway, so the man to man setup wouldn't save us either.
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Goals may still be conceded from man-marking, but I believe less would be conceded from that than from zonal.

Ranieri found a system that did a good job of hiding the weaknesses of Juve's defence.

I believe Delneri's system is exaggerating the weaknesses in the current Juve back line.
 
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