Are you freakin serious? The guy provides next to nothing going forward - how many times he has tried to kick forward and run around a player with his zero speed is comical
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[Serie A] Cagliari - Juventus (05/02/2011) (11 Viewers)
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Saying he's our best RB going forward doesn't mean much. Yes, I think he's better going forward than Grygera or Sorenson. Grygera, can't cross while looking. He's very limited. Motta sucks in defence, he's responsible for many goals but I still think he's going forward is his competence in his game. He can put in a cross atleast can't say the same for others.
Doesn't mean I want to see him starting.. ever..
Doesn't mean I want to see him starting.. ever..
That's an idiotic theory by Delneri. I've spend last night analyzing the Juventus' goals conceded and when individuals weren't to blame (Motta vs Sampdoria, Fiorentina and Roma) it was because of disorginazation.
Our defence, conceding the goal against Bari. Bullshit goals at its finest.
Tell me how you can have seven players in the box and still have three man unmarked? That's right, because Delneri doesn't think he needs to use man-marking techniques, he thinks he's Barcelona and is dominating 90 minutes.
Without man-marking you won't win shit in Serie A. It may seem odd to confirm the usual image about serie a in England and other nations but great orginazation and man-marking are essentials for a functioning defence. Have you ever noticed that Juve can't play the offside trap? How poor of a defence is that.
I won't bother with many other goals, but look at the Cavani goal. How can one person be so free in the box as in the picture here? Heck, I could even score a goal given so much space, Cavani is unmarked and miles onside.
Our defence, conceding the goal against Bari. Bullshit goals at its finest.
Tell me how you can have seven players in the box and still have three man unmarked? That's right, because Delneri doesn't think he needs to use man-marking techniques, he thinks he's Barcelona and is dominating 90 minutes.
Without man-marking you won't win shit in Serie A. It may seem odd to confirm the usual image about serie a in England and other nations but great orginazation and man-marking are essentials for a functioning defence. Have you ever noticed that Juve can't play the offside trap? How poor of a defence is that.
I won't bother with many other goals, but look at the Cavani goal. How can one person be so free in the box as in the picture here? Heck, I could even score a goal given so much space, Cavani is unmarked and miles onside.
I've never liked zonal marking and a huge weakness of it was shown on the second goal against Palermo.
If Chiellini is marking Migliaccio, he would have virtually no chance of scoring. However, because of zonal marking, Migliaccio was able to get a running start against Chiellini who only had a standing jumping, so Chiellini had no chance to stop that goal.
Juve's system would just about be okay for a team who had no good defenders, but not utilising Chiellini's ability to as great an extent as possible is utterly bemusing.
In conclusion, I would suggest the defensive system Delneri has Juve playing is every bit as big a problem as the lack of good defenders.
I can't say I'm fan of zonal defending, it should create a block or something and make passing harder but why does that still fail? The Palermo match was indeed a great example but then I thought with zonal defending it should be easier to play the offside trap? With man-marking or man-to-man tactic being applied it should be harder to play it because you simply won't know where your partners are. How come we fail to play offside traps? I've analyzed the majority of the matches recently and I haven't seen us using the offside trap? So how does one actually benefit from this tactic?
I reckon we also use some zone marking which isn't functioning cos of how we fail to break down attacks. When the opponent is attacking, one CB is higher up the pitch and the fullback are closing in on fullback that is standing in his position.
----------------------------------Bonucci----------------
--------Grosso ------------
--------------------------Chiellini------------- Grygera-----
this system gives your opponent space on both wings and with Krasic tracking back to fill those gaps isn't doing wonders either. It enables them to cross easier or play it easily into the heart of the defence. How does one benefit from such a system, is Delneri applying it all wrong or what?
I reckon we also use some zone marking which isn't functioning cos of how we fail to break down attacks. When the opponent is attacking, one CB is higher up the pitch and the fullback are closing in on fullback that is standing in his position.
----------------------------------Bonucci----------------
--------Grosso ------------
--------------------------Chiellini------------- Grygera-----
this system gives your opponent space on both wings and with Krasic tracking back to fill those gaps isn't doing wonders either. It enables them to cross easier or play it easily into the heart of the defence. How does one benefit from such a system, is Delneri applying it all wrong or what?
All Juve seem to plan to do is pack numbers into the centre of the pitch and hope that that will prevent a goal.
Playing a high line with zonal marking (and offside trap) would be fine and playing deep with man-marking would be fine, but playing deep, narrow and zonally is just a horrible combination.
Perhaps the narrow defence and Bonucci stepping out to try to win the ball is a result of Delneri feeling Melo and Aquilani are doing a good enough defensive job?
I don't really think that's the case, I'm just trying to figue out the logic of the system.
Playing a high line with zonal marking (and offside trap) would be fine and playing deep with man-marking would be fine, but playing deep, narrow and zonally is just a horrible combination.
Perhaps the narrow defence and Bonucci stepping out to try to win the ball is a result of Delneri feeling Melo and Aquilani are doing a good enough defensive job?
I don't really think that's the case, I'm just trying to figue out the logic of the system.
People forget that Juve's defence was pretty damn good back then.
The high line and the aggressive offside trap, with Sissoko running around like a madman kicking everything than moved in midfield, with the ever sensible Zanetti beside him all meant that the opposition had to work far, far harder to find space against that Juve than they do against the current Juve.
The couple of years of defending pretty well under Ranieri, considering the defenders at the club then, ended up being over-shadowed by one or two disasterous games (at home v Chievo is the main one that springs to mind).
The high line and the aggressive offside trap, with Sissoko running around like a madman kicking everything than moved in midfield, with the ever sensible Zanetti beside him all meant that the opposition had to work far, far harder to find space against that Juve than they do against the current Juve.
The couple of years of defending pretty well under Ranieri, considering the defenders at the club then, ended up being over-shadowed by one or two disasterous games (at home v Chievo is the main one that springs to mind).
i love buffon and dont doubt his ability. But do you guys realise that every season, whenever he comes back from an unjury and enter the team, we start conceding goals? Be it defensive mistakes or bad luck....
perhaps it is because with him inbetween the poles the defenders tend to be slacker? just questioning and pointing out.
perhaps it is because with him inbetween the poles the defenders tend to be slacker? just questioning and pointing out.