[Serie A] Cagliari - Juventus (05/02/2011) (22 Viewers)

CAPITANO

58 ' SUPER SIC ' 58
Jul 12, 2006
18,560
1 Buffon
2 Motta
3 Chiellini
4 Felipe Melo
5 Sissoko
6 Grosso
7 Salihamidzic
8 Marchisio
10 Del Piero
13 Manninger
14 Aquilani
15 Barzagli
19 Bonucci
20 Toni
21 Grygera
25 Martinez
27 Krasic
30 Storari
32 Matri
43 Sorensen
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
1 Buffon
2 Motta
3 Chiellini
4 Felipe Melo
5 Sissoko
6 Grosso
7 Salihamidzic
8 Marchisio
10 Del Piero
13 Manninger
14 Aquilani
15 Barzagli
19 Bonucci
20 Toni
21 Grygera
25 Martinez
27 Krasic
30 Storari
32 Matri
43 Sorensen
Wow, long time since we had only one primavera player among the called players.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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It varies from game to game.

Delneri's defensive system makes no sense for Juve.

It was fine at Samp where he had a pretty mediocre backline, with no outstanding players, so it was fine for them to go very narrow and try to stop any player being isolated, because that was less of a risk than leaving Samp players to defend one-on-one.

At Juve, though, packing the centre of the pitch is foolish. The best part of Juve's defence is the CBs, so they should be give more responsibility and fullbacks should be left to defend wide-ish.

Chiellini and Bonucci are being marginalised by the system. Look back through the season at the number of goals Juve have conceded from crosses that were dropping between the goals, but the CBs were nowhere to be seen because the system dictates that they go too far to the near post and the fullback ends up in the middle of the goals where a CB ought to be (Ibrahimovic's goal and Cavani's first spring to mind, but there have been others). You are always going to be in trouble when a fullback has to defend a high ball against a CF.

The primary job of a CB, in my book, is to win headers to clear the ball. Delneri's system means Cheillini and Bonucci often can't be in position to do that.
It's obviously because if our fullbacks are isolated we have no chance. It's easier to recover outwards than inwards so Del Neri figures we will concede the balls to the wings instead of the dangerous balls towards our goal.
 

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2008
6,349
Possibly. I wasn't really talking about being less exposed though.
In a lot of games I just felt our RB positioned himself so narrow that he was basically a CB during big parts of the game, unlike our LB who (tried to :D) cover(ed) his side in a more regular way.

I could be wrong though, defence isn't really my strong point :D
i don't get the problem with having a narrow defense. it's a very common and sensible approach to defending. one of the most basic rules of football is, keep it tight while defending and spread out when attacking. by playing narrow the space between right back and centre back is lessened/closed and so there is no space to run/dribble or play a pass to in front of the goal. what our defenders make out of that is a totally other story though
 

Gian

COME HOME MOGGI
Apr 12, 2009
17,798
Keeping it narrow might lead to a chaotic defence, gets crowded and some work just won't get done, a lot of disorganization. Communication in our defence isn't the best.
Delneri is a huge mistake
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
But you can't play any system with our fullbacks, that's the problem. They're the worst athletically in Serie A. Narrow or wide doesn't matter, eventually they have to run and cover, and they just can't do those things.

We're better off playing a faster game with guys like DC, Traore, Pepe, even Sorensen at fullback. Sissoko, Melo and Marchisio who have range and tackling to cover. There is NO USE trying to play a smart, defensive game with no smart, defenders.
 

Gian

COME HOME MOGGI
Apr 12, 2009
17,798
Well atleast Matri won't be scoring against us. With getting him away from there I think we have a good chance..
 

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
14,980
Matri will net a goal this game, too bad for his first goal wearing a Juventus jersey he can't celebrate. :(
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
1 Buffon
2 Motta
3 Chiellini
4 Felipe Melo
5 Sissoko
6 Grosso
7 Salihamidzic
8 Marchisio
10 Del Piero
13 Manninger
14 Aquilani
15 Barzagli
19 Bonucci
20 Toni
21 Grygera
25 Martinez
27 Krasic
30 Storari
32 Matri
43 Sorensen
No De Ceglie no Iaquinta no Traore :(

Toni is back :D
 

vevenom

Junior Member
Feb 2, 2011
416
I have some really strange winning feeling... I hope that this is the game when Juve shows what it is made of :D

Let's hope that Krasic's gonna break them apart like he did the last time. OOOOH, I wish so badly to see things going better again.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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i don't get the problem with having a narrow defense. it's a very common and sensible approach to defending. one of the most basic rules of football is, keep it tight while defending and spread out when attacking. by playing narrow the space between right back and centre back is lessened/closed and so there is no space to run/dribble or play a pass to in front of the goal. what our defenders make out of that is a totally other story though
I like a narrow defence, for just the reasons you mention.

However, Juve are taking it to the extreme and it makes them very vulnerable to crosses.

There is a balance to be struck, and Juve are not getting it right just now.

Keeping it narrow might lead to a chaotic defence, gets crowded and some work just won't get done, a lot of disorganization. Communication in our defence isn't the best.
:agree:

Too many people in a small area can result in no one player taking responsibility, with all of them expecting someone else to take action.

But you can't play any system with our fullbacks, that's the problem. They're the worst athletically in Serie A. Narrow or wide doesn't matter, eventually they have to run and cover, and they just can't do those things.
Juve's system has the effect of protecting the CBs, not the fullbacks, though.

This very narrow system is having the effect of making the fullbacks do more work than necessary.

The fullbacks are getting into CB positions (where they are also not any good), with the CBs getting dragged too far to the near post, and it has the result of lots of goals being conceded because the CBs don't have a chance to intervene.

I believe Juve would get on better, in general, if they played in a more orthodox defensive manner; keep the fullbacks in wide areas where they can do less damage and keep the CBs in the centre, where they can stick to doing what they are good at.
 

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