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How cares what Patric saw? Put the blind defender and make him kill everyone in penalty box – no penalty ever. Great idea, btw, Rugani come here
imputability and guilt in the situation. He didn't even know that Kluivert was coming so there was NO INTENTION to make a foul. It can be a good reason to not give a penalty. If he did see him he had to be more careful, because he knows the danger to make a foul. Beside that, Kluivert ran into Patric, not vice versa.
 

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imputability and guilt in the situation. He didn't even know that Kluivert was coming so there was NO INTENTION to make a foul. It can be a good reason to not give a penalty. If he did see him he had to be more careful, because he knows the danger to make a foul. Beside that, Kluivert ran into Patric, not vice versa.
Since when it matters? Foul is a foul.
 
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Since when it matters? Foul is a foul.
It matters. An example: if both players make a tackle on the ball, one players stand up and steps on the hand of the football player without attention. The referee won't call for a free kick. If he did it with intention he would get a foul against him. Same for 'stupid tackles' with the intention injure a player = red. 'clumsy tackles' with far worse injuries without intention would be easier a yellow instead of a red. Again: imputability is a factor.
 

Kopanja

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It matters. An example: if both players make a tackle on the ball, one players stand up and steps on the hand of the football player without attention. The referee won't call for a free kick. If he did it with intention he would get a foul against him. Same for 'stupid tackles' with the intention injure a player = red. 'clumsy tackles' with far worse injuries without intention would be easier a yellow instead of a red. Again: imputability is a factor.
Another example: MDL has arms, calcio di rigore. MDL should not have arms.
 

MikeM

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It matters. An example: if both players make a tackle on the ball, one players stand up and steps on the hand of the football player without attention. The referee won't call for a free kick. If he did it with intention he would get a foul against him. Same for 'stupid tackles' with the intention injure a player = red. 'clumsy tackles' with far worse injuries without intention would be easier a yellow instead of a red. Again: imputability is a factor.
The referee didn't just absolve Patric. He literally called a foul on Kluivert. Because Kluivert ran into the back of him and tripped him. So it's not even a question of intention.
 
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The referee didn't just absolve Patric. He literally called a foul on Kluivert. Because Kluivert ran into the back of him and tripped him. So it's not even a question of intention.
I know, as I said 10 posts ago Kluivert ran into Patric. But @Kopanja said it was a penalty. Oh and i didn't say intention is a decisive factor but it can help with making a decision and the sanction (card or not).
 

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imputability and guilt in the situation. He didn't even know that Kluivert was coming so there was NO INTENTION to make a foul. It can be a good reason to not give a penalty. If he did see him he had to be more careful, because he knows the danger to make a foul. Beside that, Kluivert ran into Patric, not vice versa.
Exactly. Absolutely no intention from Patric to get into contact with Kluivert. That's actually a very easy decision for the ref. Kluivert ran into the guy himself.
 
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