Sebastian Giovinco (69 Viewers)

[Delle Alpi]

Dont know really,

And sally, he never shone because he was almost never used. Just look at his sttaistics back then. The few times he was used was in “panic” momnents when teh coaches ran out of ideas and wanted to try a crazy bet. But he almost always delivered and looked promising. One prime example of panic moment was when he was used in the chelsea game and he played well btw.

Those 20 minutes against Chelsea were the only highlights of his Juve career. He might got misused or played out of his position while at Juve, but I was never impressed to be honest. Drifted out wide most of the time, and got muscled out for the ball, easy to knock off the ball, poor delivery to the box, and kept alot of space behind him which exposed our left backs! Maybe he could have been better employed as a trequartesta, you never know!

 

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[Rollie]

Those 20 minutes against Chelsea were the only highlights of his Juve career. He might got misused or played out of his position while at Juve, but I was never impressed to be honest. Drifted out wide most of the time, and got muscled out for the ball, easy to knock off the ball, poor delivery to the box, and kept alot of space behind him which exposed our left backs! Maybe he could have been better employed as a trequartesta, you never know!

Wait... are you being serious here mang?

In 2008 he played the large majority of games as an LM in a flat 4 midfield. Ranieri "the chameleon" was very inflexible. Drifted out wide? I friggin hope so - one of his primary roles was to provide width! That's like saying "damn that Chiellini, he keeps clogging up the middle", or something like that.

2 goals and 6 assists in 19 games in 2008/09, 10 of those games he came on as a sub. His delivery into the box is one of his major strengths! It's been on display time and again, including that sweet little ball into Christmas a couple games back. In 08/09 also had a goal in 3 cup games, and 2 assists in 4 CL matches (2 subs). Suns has posted his Goals + Assists ratios for that season multiple times, they're fairly solid all things considered... and that's playing with zero continuity, primarily as a wide LM under Ranieri. A position that doesn't suit him at all! He shouldn't be providing cover for left backs, period!

Let's not try to find excuses for Molinaro's issues

Yes, he does get muscled off the ball, but he's a lot stronger now than he used to be. He's strong enough, and intelligent enough to play inside as an SS now, imo he definitely wasn't the last time he was at the club. Just look at pictures of him in 2008, versus those from 2012, you'll easily see that he's spent some time in the gym, working on his lower body strength.

Also, anybody who counts his performances from the following year, when he/we had ZERO continuity under Ferrara/Zach, who employed 3-4 different formations, and basically showed zero confidence in him... especially Zach, who gave him nothing... Well c'mon. Plus, I remember he missed time with injury. Who would succeed in that situation?

One of the two worst seasons in the clubs 115 year history, pretty tough situation to succeed in.

Who knows if he'll be a success at Juve, if he has the quality, mettle and mentality to succeed at a big club - that's yet to be proven. My opinion is that based upon our spending to date, and our current needs, he comes at a price point that would be silly to refuse.

But these arguments based upon his previous time in Bianconero are as myopic as the "Fewer Pirates = an increase in Global Warming," or "Obama is responsible for the 2008 recession"... this is Glenn Beck type of logic, here.

This is a different Juventus, and this is a different player.

 

[Hust]

Those 20 minutes against Chelsea were the only highlights of his Juve career. ,

 

[TrezJuve]

Get him back; be it for keeping him or putting him into in a transfer deal in order to minimize it.

 

[Delle Alpi]

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My answer to your essay , he would have been better used as a trequartista, which I mentioned in my original post.
P.S. Defensively he was a liability, and exposed our back 4, that's a main reason he never succeeded as a winger in Ranieri's stupid 4-4-2, he is not efficient tracking back, would have PROBABLY better used in the free role behind a centre forward.

 

[dann10]

I dont think we should be comparing giovinco during his time at juve to giovinco now. First of all, he is a much more confident player and although he still has much to learn, he has gained some vital experience at parma. Plus when he played for us, it was a completely different juve. Different style, different teammates, different management, different all together. Whether he would do well here is unknown, but I feel like some of the comparisons in this forum are unjust and invalid.

 

[Rollie]

My answer to your essay , he would have been better used a trequartista, which I mentioned in my original post.
P.S. Defensively he was a liability, and exposed our back 4.

Well, previously he was not strong enough to play SS, or as a treq when he was at Juve. Way too easy to knock him off the ball.

And get that PS out of here. He never should have been played as an LM and relied upon for cover, if your argument is that Giovinco doesn't effectively protect the back 4... well that's not really much of an argument at all, is it?

Who in their right mind would look at the little guy and expect him to be effective cover for the defense? Especially if he's going to be fielded primarily as a SS?

 

[Delle Alpi]

Well, previously he was not strong enough to play SS, or as a treq when he was at Juve. Way too easy to knock him off the ball.

And get that PS out of here. He never should have been played as an LM and relied upon for cover, if your argument is that Giovinco doesn't effectively protect the back 4... well that's not really much of an argument at all, is it?

Who in their right mind would look at the little guy and expect him to be effective cover for the defense? Especially if he's going to be fielded primarily as a SS?

He was misused as a LW and wasn't ready for a different role. He doesn't belong as a winger in a traditional 4-4-2, maybe playing out wide in a 4-3-3 would have been a better alternative, you never know. I still believe we could do better. Jovetic playing in a trequartesta role in a 3-5-2 or vucinic out wide on the left in a 4-3-3 formation would be more effective than Giovinco.

 

[Rollie]

He was misused as a LW and wasn't ready for a different role. He doesn't belong as a winger in a traditional 4-4-2, maybe playing out wide in a 4-3-3 would have been a better alternative, you never know. I still believe we could do better. Jovetic playing in a trequartesta role in a 3-5-2 or vucinic out wide on the left in a 4-3-3 formation would be more effective than Giovinco.

He is much better playing LWF in a 4-3-3, than LM in that 4-4-2; LWF is where he featured for the Azzurrini back in the day, couple of his better games for Juve came on the left there and in the 4-2-3-1, under Ciro - everybody remembers that 5-1 thrashing of Samp. Doesn't have the same defensive responsibilities, and in that advanced position he can use his poise on the ball to allow his teammates to join the play, try and dribble his opponents, fire in a nifty cross, or cut in on his strong foot for a shot. There's enough space over there that he can drag a defender or two fairly wide, and open up a seam, find Claudio or Arturo on one of those nice runs into the box. He'll be dangerous there, although I doubt he would score goals at the rate he did this season. Who knows. He's still improving. If we get a proper CF though, I think he could be an assist machine at LWF.

He's a very solid sub for Vucinic in that role, and there's still enough potential there that he could eventually seize that position outright. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible. He'd also be suitable as the SS in the 3-5-2, for sure.

Jovetic is a dream... but one I endorse. Any opportunity for an exchange + reasonable cash would be ridiculously awesome.

 

[Tommy]

“There was no meeting with the Bianconeri and there are no negotiations going on between the two clubs,” agent Andrea D’Amico told Sportitalia.

“It is all put back to next week. Parma have confirmed to me that Inter are also interested in the player.”
The plan would be for Parma to buy Giovinco outright and then sell him on to the Nerazzurri.
If the Ducali and Juventus do not agree on what to do next, then it will go to a 'blind auction’ – both clubs put a figure in a sealed envelope and the highest bid wins the remaining 50 per cent of the player.
“There was no meeting and no agreement with the Bianconeri,” added Parma general manager Pietro Leonardi.
“There will be no summit before next week and we might have to go to a blind auction for the player.”
It has been reported Juventus are hoping to buy out the remaining 50 per cent of Giovinco’s contract for around €13m.

 

[Orgut]

Giovinco is a good player but I think he is being overated in Serie A
He is a good player who had a great season but I cant see him giving us anything extra
He has good control and good passing skills but something is lack in his play
He is great and ideal for a mid table side! As for a great side it will be hard to see him start and give the side that something extra

I dont see him better than Vucinic and Vucinic cost us much less than the figure that being said
I currently rate Vucinic at around 18-20M so Giovinco should be around 15M (since he is younger)
I`ll take him if the fee isnt over 10M (Which I doubt it) otherwise he should be sold

 

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[Cronios]

How much money Inter are willing to pay for Giovinco, they have to outbid our part for his half, the money Parma gave for his half and some extra for Parma to make a profit out of it?

It could be to our interest to come into a table with the other 2 teams and work this out.

And how much is Cavani's buying out clause, last year someone mentioned 45mil
At any case, Cavani has a spacial value in Italy, the Milan clubs are not interested atm, Cavani asked for a salary a player earns in his class, they cant afford it, so they must consider a sale now.
If we hang them over Giovinco, plus 25mil, plus a similar cash from the Lavezzi deal and they can also buy one great forward and still make a solid profit as well!

 

[Osman]

This delay is only explained by Parma trying to play hardball too much with asking for 15m for his half, and Marrotta saying fuck that, pressurring them by prolonging it to next week. The closer its to deadline, the less Parma are going to be getting outside the blind bidding process. Losing their leverage more, considering they will barely be able to bid double figures, let alone force Marrotta to bid 13-15m in blind bidding as they wanted outside it. Either way, outcome will be him coming to us, wether its outbidding them in blind bids, or coming to a comprise before then (decent amount of sum plus some loans).


I dont think for a second Inter is involved in this, their only involvement will be Parma selling him to them if we let them have Gio. Which wont happen.

 

[Hydde]

Back in the day our team was an unstable 442 madness with very , but i mean VERY crappy players. On top of that, he was never EVER going to bench del piero consistently. He was not even prepared for that, and also he was misused in the 442 on the wings.

He was younger, tinier and not as good as he is now. To make things worse he had some clowns behind him who needed babysitting from the midfielders 24/7 so gio was never used because otherwise we would receive 5 goals per game.

Now is worth a shot to try him with our excellent players around him, and of course, his experience.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

This picture says it all really.
To play on that role you either need strength or speed, as technique must be a given and not something to show off as your best ability. Best examples imho are Aguero (7 cm taller) and Messi (5cm taller) - the first one would probably out-wrestle this tall mofo on the pic and by the time he catches the second, Messi would be celebrating in the stands - so he would have to do a foul from behind which is an absolutely different situation. Here even the yellow card was a tad too harsh. I know most of you would say that Aguero and Messi are amongst the greatest players the world currently has and its hard to get anything similar - I am just trying to illustrate two different type of SS/L/RWFs.
He isn't good enough for a top team, he isn't worth 20+m and the fact that Inter are the only other major side interested in buying him shows that btw, as we know that their judgement of talent is historically the worst in Italy.

 

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[Kasaki]

This picture says it all really.
To play on that role you either need strength or speed, as technique must be a given and not something to show off as your best ability. Best examples imho are Aguero (7 cm taller) and Messi (5cm taller) - the first one would probably out-wrestle this tall mofo on the pic and by the time he catches the second, Messi would be celebrating in the stands - so he would have to do a foul from behind which is an absolutely different situation. Here even the yellow card was a tad too harsh. I know most of you would say that Aguero and Messi are amongst the greatest players the world currently has and its hard to get anything similar - I am just trying to illustrate two different type of SS/L/RWFs.
He isn't good enough for a top team, he isn't worth 20+m and the fact that Inter are the only other major side interested in buying him shows that btw, as we know that their judgement of talent is historically the worst in Italy.

Ibra must be cack. Can't get past Ibra

Btw he got the foul in that pic

 

[Salvatore]

This picture says it all really.

Yep. The Croatian player pushed him away when he knew he couldn't keep up with Giovinco, which is what actually happened.

 

[Salvo]

Yeah I am pretty sure Gio got a free kick.