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http://www.tuttojuve.com/?action=read&idnotizia=69206
I expect an apology for defaming my reputation
http://www.tuttojuve.com/?action=read&idnotizia=69206
I expect an apology for defaming my reputation
I expect an apology for defaming my reputation
Because as I said either making it up (you done it as joke before, and peeps taking you seriously for it, prolly still think those joke quotes are real), or linking from sites that totally mess up the basic meaning with downright construed/bad translations. For example, you intro the first quote by saying its relating to Giovinco on Rossi or Ribery links, when your italian link doesnt mention them. But basically said if Juve sign/replace Del Piero with someone else, it would prolly mean that they dont want him, hence it not being the right path for him. Nothing sensationalized, but basic math, sign someone else instead of get him back = Not in Juve's future.
And second quote, say Coming back to Juve or not depends on him, when he said it doesnt, the total opposite of its meaning basically (never been about him not wanting Juve, but Juve not wanting him). So more or less totally butchered two quotes to another spin, quotes that when you post them some here assume they are totally correct and engage with the typical knee-jerk reactions, like we seen already
I'm far from fluent in italian, but its not THAT hard to get the quotes right (getting them in full, not mid sentence that change the actual meaning), instead of totally butchering them. Put some effort in verifying them atleast.
P.S Didnt say Ramirez quotes was by you, just that it was a typical example of translations/news sites spin quotes/translations to the point it only gets it 10% right at best.
disappointing Melo So basically he just confirmed how we all felt about the whole Del Piero fiasco....nothing new
Also said it's not up to him if he comes back , meaning he's left the door open for conte to decide, Idk about the whole Juve is not the right path quote. It would probably sound a lot different in Italian..
Gio is like an ex-wife. Already filed for divorce and just waiting to finalize the papers.
I don't think he'll be back unless Conte thinks otherwise. But I still think Gio himself doesn't wanna be back to Juve.
Maybe to a bigger club than Parma but not us. Look how he plays against us and you can tell how much he despises us the lil bitch
I don't think he'll be back unless Conte thinks otherwise. But I still think Gio himself doesn't wanna be back to Juve.
Maybe to a bigger club than Parma but not us. Look how he plays against us and you can tell how much he despises us the lil bitch
Sebastian Giovinco: Why Things Went Wrong, and How They Can Still Go Right
November 2, 2011
by Aaron Giambattista
Serie A and its fans are very conflicted on Sebastian Giovinco. A talented dribbler with great acceleration and ability to turn, Giovinco is a natural talent. Expected to be one of the great few to successfully make the leap from the Juventus youth team to the senior level, hailed as ‘the new Del Piero’ from his Primavera exploits, the pint-sized attacker has had massive expectations for his career. It’s safe to say that thus far, Giovinco has not lived up to those standards.
Where did it all go wrong for Giovinco? Is he really the new Del Piero, or is he just another moderately talented Serie A player? More importantly for us, does he have a future at Juventus?
Young Bianconero
The Juventus youth system has claimed many players’ names in recent years, like Domenico Criscito and Antonio Nocerino. These two players, like several other names, are not truly a product of Juve’s youth system, only joining at a relatively late age to play in the Primavera. However Giovinco, like Claudio Marchisio and Paolo De Ceglie, is a Juventus-trained player through and through. Born and raised in Torino, La Formica Atomica (“Atom Ant†as he’s nicknamed) joined the Juventus youth system back in 1996, at 9 years of age. He progressed through each of the different giovanili teams until he finally reached the top one, the Juventus Primavera.
Giovinco was a well-established name before reaching the Primavera. Like his progression through Juve’s settore giovanile, Giovinco started early in the different youth Italy teams, playing at least one game for each the U-16, U-17, U-18, U-19, U-20, and finally the most important one, the U-21 Azzurrini squad. He was known for his creativity, excellent touch, and short bursts of acceleration. Giovinco had a successful tenure for the Primavera and Italian U-21s, and this is when the unfortunate burden of “Del Piero’s heir†was bestowed upon him.
Like De Ceglie and Marchisio, Giovinco’s Serie B experience consisted of playing with the Juventus first team during the Calciopoli-forced spell in purgatory, in which he marked his Juventus and professional debut with a fine assist for David Trezeguet. With Juventus back in Serie A, the young playmaker needed playing time. A loan spell to Empoli seemed like the right move, Secco and Blanc satisfied they had found the right club for him.
Off to Tuscany, Destination: Empoli
During the 2007–08 season at first under Gigi Cagni, Giovinco struggled to make his way into the first team of the Tuscan minnows. The Brescian manager preferred to go with experienced Serie A veterans to aid him in the fight for survival, but in late November and still early into the season, Cagni was sacked. Serie A veteran Alberto Malesani took over.
Malesani started to consistently play the youngster, but at the end of March, he too was sacked following poor results. At this point, Giovinco had become a more mature player and a regular fixture in the starting XI, so a returning Gigi Cagni decided against dropping him. Nevertheless, much like Andrea Pirlo’s experience playing trequartista at Reggina, a positive season for Empoli was not enough to save the team from relegation at season’s end.
It was Summer 2008, and Giovinco was one of the bright talents from the past season in Serie A. The Azzurrini traveled to Beijing for the Olympics, and Casiraghi kept Giovinco as one of the regular fixtures of his team. In the debut match vs. Honduras, Giovinco started out on a high note scoring one hell of a goal, a 20-yard blast with his left foot, just before half-time. The display at the Olympics following a great season with Empoli had Juventini almost in delirium about what he might accomplish at Juventus.
Back to the Mothership
Claudio Ranieri envisioned Giovinco (and De Ceglie) primarily as alternatives to Pavel Nedved on the left wing. For the most part, both impressed. It wasn’t the amount of playing time that the fans hoped for, but Giovinco made a respectable 19 appearances with some great performances, like the UEFA Champions League match against Chelsea in the Round of 16. With Pavel Nedved retiring, it looked like Giovinco would get his chance.
It wasn’t to be however. The old Juventus management signed Brazilian trequartista Diego, effectively deciding the team would no longer play a wing-based system. Giovinco thus continued his role as a reserve, switching from a vice-Nedved to a vice-Diego supersub. While Diego impressed in his first few games, he was injured and could not play in the 3rd Serie A match against Lazio. “It’s Giovinco day“, as Fabio Caressa stated. Unfortunately that day, Giovinco was outmuscled by the tough Lazio midfield and had a very average game, proving he likely does not have the body strength to play as a trequartista in Serie A.
The 2009-10 season would prove to be a giant step back for Giovinco, much as it was for Juventus. Under Ciro Ferrara, the player was sometimes used in a 4-2-3-1 trident (with Diego, Giovinco, and Camoranesi as the offensive midfielders) that proved relatively successful, but given 5 paltry starts in the league, mostly as a trequartista. When Ferrara was sacked at the end of January, Giovinco spent most of the Alberto Zaccheroni “era†injured and by Summertime, it was clear that spending another season at Juventus would be a mistake for both the player and the club.
Reborn in Gialloblu
Thus in August 2010 Giovinco was sent to Parma, probably an ideal destination for the still young player. The Gialloblu had, in recent years, built their team on a mixture of talented youngsters and experienced veterans, with players like Valeri Bojinov and Antonio Candreva lining up alongside the likes of Hernán Crespo and Alessandro Lucarelli. It had resulted in some solid mid-table campaigns. In addition, the lack of pressure for instant results at the Emilia-Romagna club would provide a perfect atmosphere for Giovinco, so that the player could focus less on the club’s position in the Serie A table and entirely about playing.
Giovinco would have a solid season at Parma similar to Davide Lanzafame the year before, bagging 7 goals and even (alas) scoring a goal or two against Juventus. When the loan deal was made, the Ducali had been given the right of co-ownership and duly exercised it during the Summer 2011 mercato, buying half of the player and renewing his stay with Parma for another year (this in spite of Antonio Conte’s attempts to get Giovinco back at Juventus). It was the right move for all parties involved: as Lanzafame himself showed, one positive season on loan means absolutely nothing in light of your Juventus ambitions, if Juventus don’t intend to create space for you.
Though I’ve doubted his scoring ability and thus remain unsure about his future as a second striker, Giovinco’s done well thus far: with 6 goals he currently ranks 2nd in Serie A’s capocannoniere rankings (1 goal behind Antonio Di Natale) and is only 1 tally away from matching his goaltotal from last season. It certainly helps he has been moved into his preferred position by Parma coach Franco Colomba. It’s still very early in the season, so the future looks promising for SuperSeba, who has now seven months left to cement his status as one of Serie A’s best players and hopefully win a spot on the Azzurri for Euro 2012.
So Just Why Didn’t Things Work Out in Turin?
While his mixed Juventus form of 2008-10 might indicate Giovinco as one of the many Primavera products to have been overhyped by the fans, his Parma record suggests instead he could be one of the leading lights of Serie A. So why hasn’t Giovinco cemented a spot at Juventus and fulfilled his “destiny�
It is a confluence of different factors.
Firstly, it must be said that although Giovinco didn’t exactly light the world on fire, his overall record with Juventus is more positive than negative. This goes back to the notion of ‘unfair expectations’, as few players will ever win their spot in the first team the way that Del Piero did.
Secondly, Giovinco always had a difficult route into the Prima Squadra. Unlike De Ceglie (who had to fight Grosso and Molinaro for a shot) or Marchisio (who ousted Tiago and Poulsen), Giovinco has been up against great champions, some of them Juventus legends. If he wanted playing time in his first season at the club, Giovinco either featured at left-wing behind Pavel Nedved or second striker behind Alessandro Del Piero. These aren’t your regular type of players, they are the backbone on which the club has built its greatness in the last decade.
Thirdly as just mentioned, more often than not Giovinco has been played in less-than-ideal roles during his stints at Juve. Other than a sub for Nedved and Del Piero, the player has also featured more recently as an alternative to Diego, a trequartista role which was clearly not suited to the player’s physical abilities. In 2007-08 Raffaele Palladino, another “future Del Piero†Primavera product, was faced with the same complication when often played on the left, out of position, behind Nedved before eventually being sold to Genoa and later, Parma.
Lastly, with Juventus in turmoil the last season Giovinco was at the club, rather than nurturing young talent Ferrara and Zaccheroni aimed for the ‘tried-and-true’ method of starting “reliableâ€, veteran players to get the points. It was the same season Michele Paolucci, another former Primavera striker, was recalled before being wasted 6 months on the bench. With stars like Nedved, Del Piero, and Diego ahead of him, SuperSeba thus became yet another ex-Primavera winger/striker who struggled for space in the senior team, much like Raffaele Palladino, Michele Paolucci, and Davide Lanzafame, none who ever received a proper chance in their natural position.
Due to his physical characteristics, Giovinco was never going to succeed as trequartista. At Parma, his career has taken off since he’s been moved up front. And now that Giovinco has established his name in Serie A, it is likely that would he return to Juve, the player would get more space. Which brings us to the REAL question at hand…
Does Giovinco Have a Future at Juventus?
It’s possible. Antonio Conte is a well-known admirer of him, and there’s heavy speculation that should Giovinco continue his positive season, he could be recalled to Juventus. Understandably Giovinco is wary of the idea, as mentioned above, he’s already sat plenty on the Juventus bench like his fellow ex-Primavera forwards Palladino, Paolucci, and Lanzafame (the latter being a particularly cautionary tale).
The chief question we (and Giovinco) should ask ourselves, is: where would Conte play him? Let us consider the options.
WINGER – Giovinco is quick, has great short-distance acceleration, and throws in a very decent cross. Playing on the wing however probably does not exploit Giovinco’s characteristics in the best way. He is dangerous in that position, but doesn’t have the legs or physical strength to provide defensive work; it would require a great full-back like Lichtsteiner to provide that kind of support.
TREQUARTISTA – For the same reasons listed above, Giovinco’s quick, short-distance acceleration and good passing would normally mean he’d be quite good in the “playmaker†right-behind-the-strikers position. However playing trequartista, as he did briefly at Juventus and briefly at Parma, is also not an ideal position. As repeatedly stated in this article, Giovinco doesn’t have the physical strength to stay on his feet, and this position puts him too far away from goal.
SECONDA PUNTA – While at first look our second striker position is rather full (currently we have Mirko Vucinic, Alessandro Del Piero, and Fabio Quagliarella), it might not be come next year. It’s quite possible Quags will leave in January (as he finds himself third choice at the moment), and Andrea Agnelli has seemingly called time on Del Piero’s Juventus career. As for Mirko, he has the characteristics to play more as a prima punta (as our match vs. AC Milan showed us). So all things considered, Giovinco is indeed probably best suited to be a seconda punta. It’s Giovinco’s short-term acceleration, his tricky feet, and his growing eye for goal that suggests the player should indeed play in Del Piero’s position in the long run – this is where he is thriving at Parma.
It will not be a simple decision for Juventus or Giovinco. The player will be 25 next Summer, a far cry from his his Primavera years. Coming back to sit on Juve’s bench would be disastrous for his career, far moreso than for a player aged 21-22. The club needs to consult Antonio Conte and decide whether they plan on using Giovinco a substantial amount.
If not, it’s better for all parties involved to sell our second half of the player, and simply… move on.
And to top it all off my fav Gio video the one on JuventiKnows sucked
November 2, 2011
by Aaron Giambattista
Serie A and its fans are very conflicted on Sebastian Giovinco. A talented dribbler with great acceleration and ability to turn, Giovinco is a natural talent. Expected to be one of the great few to successfully make the leap from the Juventus youth team to the senior level, hailed as ‘the new Del Piero’ from his Primavera exploits, the pint-sized attacker has had massive expectations for his career. It’s safe to say that thus far, Giovinco has not lived up to those standards.
Where did it all go wrong for Giovinco? Is he really the new Del Piero, or is he just another moderately talented Serie A player? More importantly for us, does he have a future at Juventus?
Young Bianconero
The Juventus youth system has claimed many players’ names in recent years, like Domenico Criscito and Antonio Nocerino. These two players, like several other names, are not truly a product of Juve’s youth system, only joining at a relatively late age to play in the Primavera. However Giovinco, like Claudio Marchisio and Paolo De Ceglie, is a Juventus-trained player through and through. Born and raised in Torino, La Formica Atomica (“Atom Ant†as he’s nicknamed) joined the Juventus youth system back in 1996, at 9 years of age. He progressed through each of the different giovanili teams until he finally reached the top one, the Juventus Primavera.
Giovinco was a well-established name before reaching the Primavera. Like his progression through Juve’s settore giovanile, Giovinco started early in the different youth Italy teams, playing at least one game for each the U-16, U-17, U-18, U-19, U-20, and finally the most important one, the U-21 Azzurrini squad. He was known for his creativity, excellent touch, and short bursts of acceleration. Giovinco had a successful tenure for the Primavera and Italian U-21s, and this is when the unfortunate burden of “Del Piero’s heir†was bestowed upon him.
Like De Ceglie and Marchisio, Giovinco’s Serie B experience consisted of playing with the Juventus first team during the Calciopoli-forced spell in purgatory, in which he marked his Juventus and professional debut with a fine assist for David Trezeguet. With Juventus back in Serie A, the young playmaker needed playing time. A loan spell to Empoli seemed like the right move, Secco and Blanc satisfied they had found the right club for him.
Off to Tuscany, Destination: Empoli
During the 2007–08 season at first under Gigi Cagni, Giovinco struggled to make his way into the first team of the Tuscan minnows. The Brescian manager preferred to go with experienced Serie A veterans to aid him in the fight for survival, but in late November and still early into the season, Cagni was sacked. Serie A veteran Alberto Malesani took over.
Malesani started to consistently play the youngster, but at the end of March, he too was sacked following poor results. At this point, Giovinco had become a more mature player and a regular fixture in the starting XI, so a returning Gigi Cagni decided against dropping him. Nevertheless, much like Andrea Pirlo’s experience playing trequartista at Reggina, a positive season for Empoli was not enough to save the team from relegation at season’s end.
It was Summer 2008, and Giovinco was one of the bright talents from the past season in Serie A. The Azzurrini traveled to Beijing for the Olympics, and Casiraghi kept Giovinco as one of the regular fixtures of his team. In the debut match vs. Honduras, Giovinco started out on a high note scoring one hell of a goal, a 20-yard blast with his left foot, just before half-time. The display at the Olympics following a great season with Empoli had Juventini almost in delirium about what he might accomplish at Juventus.
Back to the Mothership
Claudio Ranieri envisioned Giovinco (and De Ceglie) primarily as alternatives to Pavel Nedved on the left wing. For the most part, both impressed. It wasn’t the amount of playing time that the fans hoped for, but Giovinco made a respectable 19 appearances with some great performances, like the UEFA Champions League match against Chelsea in the Round of 16. With Pavel Nedved retiring, it looked like Giovinco would get his chance.
It wasn’t to be however. The old Juventus management signed Brazilian trequartista Diego, effectively deciding the team would no longer play a wing-based system. Giovinco thus continued his role as a reserve, switching from a vice-Nedved to a vice-Diego supersub. While Diego impressed in his first few games, he was injured and could not play in the 3rd Serie A match against Lazio. “It’s Giovinco day“, as Fabio Caressa stated. Unfortunately that day, Giovinco was outmuscled by the tough Lazio midfield and had a very average game, proving he likely does not have the body strength to play as a trequartista in Serie A.
The 2009-10 season would prove to be a giant step back for Giovinco, much as it was for Juventus. Under Ciro Ferrara, the player was sometimes used in a 4-2-3-1 trident (with Diego, Giovinco, and Camoranesi as the offensive midfielders) that proved relatively successful, but given 5 paltry starts in the league, mostly as a trequartista. When Ferrara was sacked at the end of January, Giovinco spent most of the Alberto Zaccheroni “era†injured and by Summertime, it was clear that spending another season at Juventus would be a mistake for both the player and the club.
Reborn in Gialloblu
Thus in August 2010 Giovinco was sent to Parma, probably an ideal destination for the still young player. The Gialloblu had, in recent years, built their team on a mixture of talented youngsters and experienced veterans, with players like Valeri Bojinov and Antonio Candreva lining up alongside the likes of Hernán Crespo and Alessandro Lucarelli. It had resulted in some solid mid-table campaigns. In addition, the lack of pressure for instant results at the Emilia-Romagna club would provide a perfect atmosphere for Giovinco, so that the player could focus less on the club’s position in the Serie A table and entirely about playing.
Giovinco would have a solid season at Parma similar to Davide Lanzafame the year before, bagging 7 goals and even (alas) scoring a goal or two against Juventus. When the loan deal was made, the Ducali had been given the right of co-ownership and duly exercised it during the Summer 2011 mercato, buying half of the player and renewing his stay with Parma for another year (this in spite of Antonio Conte’s attempts to get Giovinco back at Juventus). It was the right move for all parties involved: as Lanzafame himself showed, one positive season on loan means absolutely nothing in light of your Juventus ambitions, if Juventus don’t intend to create space for you.
Though I’ve doubted his scoring ability and thus remain unsure about his future as a second striker, Giovinco’s done well thus far: with 6 goals he currently ranks 2nd in Serie A’s capocannoniere rankings (1 goal behind Antonio Di Natale) and is only 1 tally away from matching his goaltotal from last season. It certainly helps he has been moved into his preferred position by Parma coach Franco Colomba. It’s still very early in the season, so the future looks promising for SuperSeba, who has now seven months left to cement his status as one of Serie A’s best players and hopefully win a spot on the Azzurri for Euro 2012.
So Just Why Didn’t Things Work Out in Turin?
While his mixed Juventus form of 2008-10 might indicate Giovinco as one of the many Primavera products to have been overhyped by the fans, his Parma record suggests instead he could be one of the leading lights of Serie A. So why hasn’t Giovinco cemented a spot at Juventus and fulfilled his “destiny�
It is a confluence of different factors.
Firstly, it must be said that although Giovinco didn’t exactly light the world on fire, his overall record with Juventus is more positive than negative. This goes back to the notion of ‘unfair expectations’, as few players will ever win their spot in the first team the way that Del Piero did.
Secondly, Giovinco always had a difficult route into the Prima Squadra. Unlike De Ceglie (who had to fight Grosso and Molinaro for a shot) or Marchisio (who ousted Tiago and Poulsen), Giovinco has been up against great champions, some of them Juventus legends. If he wanted playing time in his first season at the club, Giovinco either featured at left-wing behind Pavel Nedved or second striker behind Alessandro Del Piero. These aren’t your regular type of players, they are the backbone on which the club has built its greatness in the last decade.
Thirdly as just mentioned, more often than not Giovinco has been played in less-than-ideal roles during his stints at Juve. Other than a sub for Nedved and Del Piero, the player has also featured more recently as an alternative to Diego, a trequartista role which was clearly not suited to the player’s physical abilities. In 2007-08 Raffaele Palladino, another “future Del Piero†Primavera product, was faced with the same complication when often played on the left, out of position, behind Nedved before eventually being sold to Genoa and later, Parma.
Lastly, with Juventus in turmoil the last season Giovinco was at the club, rather than nurturing young talent Ferrara and Zaccheroni aimed for the ‘tried-and-true’ method of starting “reliableâ€, veteran players to get the points. It was the same season Michele Paolucci, another former Primavera striker, was recalled before being wasted 6 months on the bench. With stars like Nedved, Del Piero, and Diego ahead of him, SuperSeba thus became yet another ex-Primavera winger/striker who struggled for space in the senior team, much like Raffaele Palladino, Michele Paolucci, and Davide Lanzafame, none who ever received a proper chance in their natural position.
Due to his physical characteristics, Giovinco was never going to succeed as trequartista. At Parma, his career has taken off since he’s been moved up front. And now that Giovinco has established his name in Serie A, it is likely that would he return to Juve, the player would get more space. Which brings us to the REAL question at hand…
Does Giovinco Have a Future at Juventus?
It’s possible. Antonio Conte is a well-known admirer of him, and there’s heavy speculation that should Giovinco continue his positive season, he could be recalled to Juventus. Understandably Giovinco is wary of the idea, as mentioned above, he’s already sat plenty on the Juventus bench like his fellow ex-Primavera forwards Palladino, Paolucci, and Lanzafame (the latter being a particularly cautionary tale).
The chief question we (and Giovinco) should ask ourselves, is: where would Conte play him? Let us consider the options.
WINGER – Giovinco is quick, has great short-distance acceleration, and throws in a very decent cross. Playing on the wing however probably does not exploit Giovinco’s characteristics in the best way. He is dangerous in that position, but doesn’t have the legs or physical strength to provide defensive work; it would require a great full-back like Lichtsteiner to provide that kind of support.
TREQUARTISTA – For the same reasons listed above, Giovinco’s quick, short-distance acceleration and good passing would normally mean he’d be quite good in the “playmaker†right-behind-the-strikers position. However playing trequartista, as he did briefly at Juventus and briefly at Parma, is also not an ideal position. As repeatedly stated in this article, Giovinco doesn’t have the physical strength to stay on his feet, and this position puts him too far away from goal.
SECONDA PUNTA – While at first look our second striker position is rather full (currently we have Mirko Vucinic, Alessandro Del Piero, and Fabio Quagliarella), it might not be come next year. It’s quite possible Quags will leave in January (as he finds himself third choice at the moment), and Andrea Agnelli has seemingly called time on Del Piero’s Juventus career. As for Mirko, he has the characteristics to play more as a prima punta (as our match vs. AC Milan showed us). So all things considered, Giovinco is indeed probably best suited to be a seconda punta. It’s Giovinco’s short-term acceleration, his tricky feet, and his growing eye for goal that suggests the player should indeed play in Del Piero’s position in the long run – this is where he is thriving at Parma.
It will not be a simple decision for Juventus or Giovinco. The player will be 25 next Summer, a far cry from his his Primavera years. Coming back to sit on Juve’s bench would be disastrous for his career, far moreso than for a player aged 21-22. The club needs to consult Antonio Conte and decide whether they plan on using Giovinco a substantial amount.
If not, it’s better for all parties involved to sell our second half of the player, and simply… move on.
And to top it all off my fav Gio video the one on JuventiKnows sucked