The Amauri deal (if Gio were included) might be the worst thing that happen to Juve since Calciopoli.
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It's BS. Givinco will be playing in a Juve jersey next season. People, seriously, you have a brain, use it!
Right now we only have one left winger in the team, Nedved. Chances are he will retire come this summer. So that leaves us with the neeed for 2 left wingers. Gio coming back would mean we would only need 1. Now look at it this way, buying 1 winger is easier AND cheaper than buying 2. I see that, you see that, and more importantly Secco can see that, and if keeping a hold of a great talent won't do it, then this point alone will make him keep Gio. Point number 2 is our limited budget. We know we have a limited amount of money to invest to get top 1-2 midfielder. Do you think we will get rid of a player we have FOR FREE in order to go and buy another player, thus adding to the cost of shopping? Get real people. Gio will be playing in a Juve shirt next season. Stop causing so much drama.
Right now we only have one left winger in the team, Nedved. Chances are he will retire come this summer. So that leaves us with the neeed for 2 left wingers. Gio coming back would mean we would only need 1. Now look at it this way, buying 1 winger is easier AND cheaper than buying 2. I see that, you see that, and more importantly Secco can see that, and if keeping a hold of a great talent won't do it, then this point alone will make him keep Gio. Point number 2 is our limited budget. We know we have a limited amount of money to invest to get top 1-2 midfielder. Do you think we will get rid of a player we have FOR FREE in order to go and buy another player, thus adding to the cost of shopping? Get real people. Gio will be playing in a Juve shirt next season. Stop causing so much drama.
I like to ask those who think he will leave think one particular thing, not just for the obvious huge talent he is, but do you know how MANY calcio legends, coaches, players (apparently Pato the latest saying he is top 4 player in the world hehe) who has constantly for a year now been raving about how amazing gem is and so on.
Everyone from Zoff, Lippi, Zola, Casiraghi, Capello, Sacchi, you name it, they have been raving about him. So the question is, when outsiders know so obviously how great he is, WHY wouldnt our very own management not know it? (Ranieri our coach, says he needs him for the CL qfs, bit of a hint, no?).
Plus the amount of praise he keeps getting, the PR disaster and laughing stock one would be if you got rid of such a player. And that I mean from outsiders, they would get insane backlash by Juventini world wide for it, it would never end, so what gives that they would be so self-destructive? There isnt a single logical incentive of why they would give him away. NONE.
Everyone from Zoff, Lippi, Zola, Casiraghi, Capello, Sacchi, you name it, they have been raving about him. So the question is, when outsiders know so obviously how great he is, WHY wouldnt our very own management not know it? (Ranieri our coach, says he needs him for the CL qfs, bit of a hint, no?).
Plus the amount of praise he keeps getting, the PR disaster and laughing stock one would be if you got rid of such a player. And that I mean from outsiders, they would get insane backlash by Juventini world wide for it, it would never end, so what gives that they would be so self-destructive? There isnt a single logical incentive of why they would give him away. NONE.
People don't lack brains, our management does. Last summer campaign we let a player like Mutu go, even though he didn't mind playing in Serie B and we wasted shit loads of money on unused players. Not to mention we sold HALF of De Ceglie, to get Molinaro!!!
I'm starting to fear that Secco is THAT dumb and most likely can sell half of Gio to Palermo. Not to mention he already literally did sell Gio to them, if it wasn't for Ranieri who stopped it in the last minute.
Want me to come with more brain dead examples from our management this season, like trying to offload Chiellini?
I'm starting to fear that Secco is THAT dumb and most likely can sell half of Gio to Palermo. Not to mention he already literally did sell Gio to them, if it wasn't for Ranieri who stopped it in the last minute.
Want me to come with more brain dead examples from our management this season, like trying to offload Chiellini?
Trying to sell Chiellini is the only truly retarded part of it, when it was the contract negotiations. The others are hardly that big of a deal, Mutu was a clear mistake, but calciopoli was a special circumstances that made matters more confusing. We dont know if Mutu wanted to stay, but our team was om fire sale mode and the future quite uncertain, was no time to make real proper deals. Need I remind you Mutu had a difficult time with us and was in an awkward stage of his career (he would most likely have left with or without calciopoli). Not too many suitors for him to get a big deal. They saw an opportunity in Bojinov and just grabbed it. Unfortunate, but not too shocking with hindsight.
Molinaro was a co-owned player too btw, and its a common procedure to sell half of a your talents, the ones you are uncertain you will keep or your partner club is not willing to just outright loan (you can loan him to a serie B team, but usually Serie A teams, if the player isnt an obvious talent, usually can ask for a cut). Co-own is the incentive to make them develop your player. And usually the price you sold the half for is set on the deal to be the price you buy him back for. Especially a partner club like Siena. Totally another with clubs like Genoa and the criscito businesses.
Molinaro was a co-owned player too btw, and its a common procedure to sell half of a your talents, the ones you are uncertain you will keep or your partner club is not willing to just outright loan (you can loan him to a serie B team, but usually Serie A teams, if the player isnt an obvious talent, usually can ask for a cut). Co-own is the incentive to make them develop your player. And usually the price you sold the half for is set on the deal to be the price you buy him back for. Especially a partner club like Siena. Totally another with clubs like Genoa and the criscito businesses.
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how is all you said related to the Giovinco case? more importantly you used other examples to justify that Giovinco will be sold. This is nonsense. Every transfer has different circumstances, and none of your arguments (conveniently) mentions the set of circumstances surrounding the transfers.
But you ignored my point about making 2 winger transfers. I agree with you that they don't have footballing brains, but they are businessmen. So tell me, If you are a business men with a limited budget, would you rather keep a players that's yours and buy only 1, or would you rather give a player away and waste lot's of time, and money in negotiating 2 transfers, that may or my not happen?
how is all you said related to the Giovinco case? more importantly you used other examples to justify that Giovinco will be sold. This is nonsense. Every transfer has different circumstances, and none of your arguments (conveniently) mentions the set of circumstances surrounding the transfers.
But you ignored my point about making 2 winger transfers. I agree with you that they don't have footballing brains, but they are businessmen. So tell me, If you are a business men with a limited budget, would you rather keep a players that's yours and buy only 1, or would you rather give a player away and waste lot's of time, and money in negotiating 2 transfers, that may or my not happen?
I just pointed out, that with out management, that everything can happen. We cant rule Giovinco out of the deal (even with the clear statement that you made of us needing a winger) with Secco in charge. So i was just trying to contridict the statement you made about Seba will most likely return to Juve next season. Because I wouldn't be surprised if secco Sold Seba, Iaquinta and brought Amauri and Mancini in instead.
Lets just hope that he listens to fans.
Lets just hope that he listens to fans.
You have the other way around in this case as Lion said. What you should be surprised about in this case, gob smacked and flabbergasted level of surprised, is IF he loans Giovinco to them, let alone half sell him. It would be shocking beyond reproach, and under the current and obvious circumstances, you KNOW it wont happen even if you want belittle and flame Secco. Just wont happen.
So much drama. So much BS. Some guys here believe everything they read on the press and then go take it on the managment. Giovinco will be with us next season and please just leave the managment do their job, afterall even if they give out Giovinco on loan (which they wown't) THERE IS NOTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO!
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umm, deschamps still doesn't hold the pursestrings though.
if deschamps requested andy cole it doesn't make it a good idea to go and buy him.
while I get that ranieri wants giovinco and yours is a point well made, overall we do not look confident on the market and some fear over this rumour is only a natural response.
if deschamps requested andy cole it doesn't make it a good idea to go and buy him.
while I get that ranieri wants giovinco and yours is a point well made, overall we do not look confident on the market and some fear over this rumour is only a natural response.
U're assuming that nedved will not continue with juve next season but what if he stayed (and there is a big chance that he will stay as our managers want him and so our players), in this case we'll have nedved for next season and our board r allready thinking of nedved's replacement so they're most likely gonna get another winger and most importantly giovinco "might" and i say just might be loaned or worse sold (co-ownership) to palermo........U can't say that there is no way our board gonna sell him, i really love to believe this but our board have a history of serious mistakes when it comes to the market........