Sebastian Giovinco (99 Viewers)

[Nomuken]

Really? Anyways I hope we get him back next season.
Giovinco Left Flank Krasic Right Flank ahhhhhh yeahhhh.

 

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[Kasaki]

Really? Anyways I hope we get him back next season.
Giovinco Left Flank Krasic Right Flank ahhhhhh yeahhhh.

can't wait, we don't even need cassano

 

[Linebreak]

I'd much rather a quick left footed crosser on the left

 

[Klin]

can't wait, we don't even need cassano

Riiiiiiiight.

 

[Ken]

 

[Gabriel]

Really? Anyways I hope we get him back next season.
Giovinco Left Flank Krasic Right Flank ahhhhhh yeahhhh.

If it was my team I would sincerely hope that that doesn't happen.

 

[JuveJay]

Incorrect. I'm not going to waste my time arguing points I don't really care about. I have better things to do. I know you think I don't care about Juve at all, but that argument won't get you anywhere either, even though the majority might agree with you.

And you consider whatever the managers say as fact, not opinion, which is why you so aggressively defend Del Neri and Marotta. Judging by their history, a normal reaction to their appointment would be that of caution considering DN's history and Marotta's minimal experience.

No I don't do those things, don't put words in my mouth.

Because it's a smaller club, the level of training would at a lesser standard (even you should agree with that), the level of competition at training would be worse, the level of competition for spots would be worse, the overall morale of the player would be worse considering he knows his future might not reside there, the loaned player is not guaranteed a spot in the team, the loaned player has no chemistry with his new mates, et cetera.

This doesn't even include the fact that extra pressure is placed on the player to perform in a side he is not accustomed to. Whether you agree with that point doesn't really matter, as common sense and human psychology demonstrates that putting a spotlight on a person in unfamiliar surroundings is not a good idea. But suit yourself. You cherish one important facet of development over several others grouped together, so I can't possibly agree with that.

True it would be a lesser level, but games are far more important, I don't know how that can be argued againt to be honest.

Complete nonsense. The only difference is that we had Diego roaming around in a free role, in which he provided our only real attacking threat from midfield. Melo was crap, Sissoko was crap, Marchisio was average, Camo was pretty poor for his ability, and we had nobody else to provide a creative spark. We had one creative player last year in midfield, the rest were nothing but power and one-dimensional players on pretty poor form. This year we have Krasic and Aquilani, one player who we depend on completely and another who can at least complete passes.

And you don't question why these players were all 'crap'? So they all just seemed to have a bad season simultaneously culiminating in our awful season? Look at the coach and his set up, you'll find the answer. Same for Italy, they don't become bad players in one season.

To be short, your post was revisionary nonsense. Apparently you'd be the one to drop Chiellini, Buffon and others from the Azzurri because of your embarrassing showing this past summer. But then again, since they're all Italians, you probably wouldn't!

Buffon, Chiellini, proven players? I think you're making 5 from 2 plus 2.

I absolutely love it how you never mention Pepe's attitude, complaining about playing time already this season. Goes to show your bias.

Seriously folks, if this guy cared about attitude, he'd complain about Pepe.

But admittedly, Pepe is "one of my boys."

What a joke.

Usual nonsense, I spoke about Pepe in his thread, his attitude there was poor if that's what he said. Alas, if he carries on like that he might end up back in the provinces like someone else...

 

[Bjerknes]

True it would be a lesser level, but games are far more important, I don't know how that can be argued againt to be honest.

You don't know what they do in training. Would you say that matches are more important than training if they didn't train him at all?

Matches aren't important for young players, the training is. The direction is important. Have you not played this game before?

And you don't question why these players were all 'crap'? So they all just seemed to have a bad season simultaneously culiminating in our awful season? Look at the coach and his set up, you'll find the answer. Same for Italy, they don't become bad players in one season.

Melo was simply new to the team, so I'll give him a break. Camo is old and had gone haywire. Sissoko was useless.

Ferrara was certainly to blame, but I don't think the use of Diego was. Do you claim we should have played straight 4-4-2 under Ferrara while welcoming four new wingers to the team this season? That wouldn't make any sense.

The original claim you made is that the skillful midfielder "route" didn't work, just after one season of playing Diego. What other skillful midfielders did we play? None. Yet you try to claim playing skillful players over work horses put us into trouble last season.

Incorrect, and simply wrong. Frighteningly wrong.

 

[JuveJay]

You don't know what they do in training. Would you say that matches are more important than training if they didn't train him at all?

Matches aren't important for young players, the training is. The direction is important. Have you not played this game before?

No I haven't, they don't teach football in England. I would say playing matches is most important for development, coaching is also important but especially for teams rather than individuals.

Ferrara was certainly to blame, but I don't think the use of Diego was. Do you claim we should have played straight 4-4-2 under Ferrara while welcoming four new wingers to the team this season? That wouldn't make any sense.

No I don't.

The original claim you made is that the skillful midfielder "route" didn't work, just after one season of playing Diego. What other skillful midfielders did we play? None. Yet you try to claim playing skillful players over work horses put us into trouble last season.

Giovinco

 

[Bjerknes]

So there's no point to training sessions. Instead of training just schedule a scrimmage, like with four year olds who just want to kick the ball around. Get rid of the coach too, just let 'em play.

 

[JuveJay]

That's exactly what I said, well done.

 

[Bjerknes]

You said coaching is important for teams rather than individuals. Not true. That's what you said.

 

[JuveJay]

'Especially for teams rather than individuals', doesn't mean not for individuals.

 

[Suns]

Why is Seba getting shit at this point? He has been performing really well so far this season and as usual proving his doubters wrong.

 

[Bjerknes]

'Especially for teams rather than individuals', doesn't mean not for individuals.

You might as well have wrote nothing.

You're trying to marginalize the coaching effects on a player, but quite obviously it is very important.

 

[JuveJay]

Why is Seba getting shit at this point? He has been performing really well so far this season and as usual proving his doubters wrong.

As usual? I wouldn't say so.

I'm not giving him shit anyway, just replying as to why he is not a proven player that would certainly have made a difference.

I like the lad, raved about him a lot, but can also see his big weaknesses, I am not blind to them.

Andy, important, but at 23 years of age not the most important thing. If he was 16-17, maybe.

 

[JuveJay]

Either way, can't be bothered with splitting hairs over a guy who is playing for another team right now, after a great win.

 

[Suns]

As usual? I wouldn't say so.

I'm not giving him shit anyway, just replying as to why he is not a proven player that would certainly have made a difference.

I like the lad, raved about him a lot, but can also see his big weaknesses, I am not blind to them.

Andy, important, but at 23 years of age not the most important thing. If he was 16-17, maybe.

As far as I know, the majority of the times I've seen him play he has been really good. 2008-2009 he was fantastic everytime Ranieri let him play and last season he was injured a lot but he was really good most of the games he played. With Azzurini he was always their top performer and now with Parma he has started off really well. Out on the field, he has never disappointed. The Parma fans love him and we were always praising him when he was playing.

 

[JuveJay]

Out on the field for Juve he has most certainly disappointed in some games for Juve. He has done a lot of good things for the Azzurrini and at Empoli or Parma but that's not Juve, because you do well at those teams guarantees you zero at Juve.

 

[tibike]

Out on the field for Juve he has most certainly disappointed in some games for Juve. He has done a lot of good things for the Azzurrini and at Empoli or Parma but that's not Juve, because you do well at those teams guarantees you zero at Juve.

Example, please.

EDIT: And to add to the Seba can't defend argument, it makes no difference. If a winger is strong on the attack, the opposing fullback will never overlap him, because he will not risk giving the opposing winger space.