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Dealing with the hordes running wild in England every second week.

Think they'll have forgotten Manchester already?

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With Brown on the way, it seemed inevitable that Adams would be the successor. A man the Dons board have had their eye on for the past two years, all bets were off with regards to him returning to the club he served twice as a player.

It has been a curious two weeks though. Adams was given ample opportunity to either nail his colours to the Ross County mast, or open the door to talks with the Dons board. He did neither - walking away from a BBC Scotland interview with Scott Davie when asked his position, and since then doing everything but put this issue to bed.

Perhaps he was playing the game intelligently. The Dons board made their approach, Ross County refused permission, and it appears the issue is over. Adams can continue life in Dingwall as normal, without being accused of prostituting himself to another club. On the other hand, Aberdeen can still make an 11th hour bid and if accepted, Adams may yet still be sitting down to discuss his future.

For now, Derek McInnes now looks certain to be the next manager of Aberdeen. His imminent arrival has caused divisions in the Red Army. There is a scale of opinion ranging from the downright furious, to a shrugged shoulders section at least willing to give him a chance. Very few are ready to welcome him with open arms, though after the initial shock more and more are accepting the idea.

The lazy retort to that is to accuse the fans of living in the past, of expecting too much. Of being blinded by a hatred of their new man's Rangers connections.

It is that reaction from those outside of the Granite City that, ironically, answers the question of why the news of McInnes heading north hasn't been met with abundant enthusiasm.

Firstly, there is the obvious reason for the lukewarm reaction. McInnes will not be arriving at Pittodrie with a particularly impressive managerial record. He did well enough winning the First Division with St Johnstone, secured two solid if unspectacular eighth place finishes in the Scottish Premier League, and when he left for Bristol City he had the Saints in the top six.

Bristol City didn't go to plan though, with McInnes sacked after leading them to seven straight defeats during a tumultuous reign.

Put simply, the 41 year old has a CV arguably less impressive than all the previous managers Aberdeen have employed since Roy Aitken. At a push his SPL experience sets him above Steve Paterson and even Ebbe Skovdahl who visibly struggled to adapt to life in Scotland's top flight, but Jimmy Calderwood, Mark McGhee, and notably Craig Brown had more obvious plus points when they took the reigns.

What will continue to darken the start of this new era though, should he be appointed as expected, is the name of Derek Adams. And if Derek McInnes wants to win over the Pittodrie punters, he could do worse than mimic his namesake.

Adams not only is enhancing his reputation as a top coach after taking Ross County from the Second Division to, currently, the top six of the SPL. He is, quite simply, the perfect fit for Aberdeen.

The north-east often has a reputation of being parochial. It can be unfair, but it isn't without a bit of truth.

There is a wariness of outsiders. Aberdonians expect no favours from the rest of Scotland. The west coast bias is overplayed, but there are sections of the media and other supports who have no love at all for the city or its people.

Your average Aberdeen fan accepts the days of conquering Europe and dominating Scottish football are unlikely to resurface for quite some time, however they do expect something that has been lacking for a generation now. They want their club to stand up for them, and they want people to stand up for their club.

Alex Ferguson is seen as creating the tone for all his players to follow, the Aberdeen against the rest of Scotland mentality. In reality, he simply harnessed it and made his players understand it.

Too often since, managers have been too eager to build bridges, perhaps in order to get an easier ride from influential journalists. Irritatingly, it has sometimes been because they have had a hankering for a bigger job and didn't want to upset potential employers.

One of Calderwood's downfalls was his kids gloves attitude towards Rangers. Walking out of a defeat at Ibrox and revealing he told "Wee Barry" at half-time he would change the game, or defending "Big Boydy" and "Big Lee" because they're good lads. Even Robbie Neilson was defended for throwing punches at Chris Maguire at the end of a tasty clash with Hearts because his striker apparently could be a bit mouthy. That isn't what Dons fans want to hear.

Craig Brown's insistence of talking up other clubs and letting even the most blatant wrongdoings against his side go without comment. These don't exactly fire up a support being consumed by apathy.

They want a man not afraid to make himself unpopular south of Stonehaven. A man who defends the club, defend his players, puts pressure on the referees, questions decisions, and faces the inevitable wrath without fear.

That approach would have the Red Army backing their man to the hilt, for if someone comes to Aberdeen and fights for them, the support will repay him big time. People like Willie Miller, Lee Richardson, Dean Windass, Steve Tosh, Niall McGinn. These guys didn't come to Aberdeen as Dons men, but they have all played like they are. Even a man hated in an opposition shirt like Paul Hartley could stroll in and win the support over by simply displaying the right attitude.

Adams, as an Aberdonian, a man who saw his dad exchange many a conversation with Alex Ferguson, who played for the club twice - he understands that. There is no doubt he would have come in, battened down the hatches, and prepared for war.

McInnes is seen, unfairly perhaps, as simply a young Calderwood. Pals with Ally McCoist, already on record as talking up the Ibrox club's hopes of skipping ahead of clubs above them to gain promotion, he doesn't come across as the leader the Dons fans crave.

However, the team are yet to kick a ball under him. He still has it all ahead of him.

If McInnes wants to be accepted by the support, he simply has to look at two of the men who were alongside him on the shortlist; Adams and Hartley. Copy their approach, march in and be ready to make fans forget all about any cosy relationships he has formed, and couple that with a winning team on the park, then he will find that he has won the lottery.

For if he gets Aberdeen playing, the fans will back him in a way no other support in Scotland would. Managers have won trophies at Hearts, Hibs and Dundee United in recent years and witnessed no-where near the following the Dons will see converge on stadiums around the country.

He will find life at Aberdeen different to anything he experienced at St Johnstone. If he got the Saints on a good run, he would have seen 5,000 for a home game. Do the same at Aberdeen, and they'll take 5,000 to an away game.

If he ends the long wait for silverware, he will be hailed a legend. That's the prize for any man brave enough to accept a unique challenge in Scottish football.

It isn't for weak minds or those without a thick skin. Despite the barbs, fans don't actually have unrealistic expectations. No man though has walked in with this many doubts since Alex Miller began what went on to be statistically the worst managerial appointment the Dons ever made.

However, just over a week ago there was remarkable scenes in Paisley as Danny Lennon gave the St Mirren fans a League Cup triumph.

In the past six years Hibernian, Hearts, Dundee United and Kilmarnock have all joined them in lifting trophies.

McInnes might not have the CV of the last six managers to try and fail to bring success to Aberdeen. If he brings the north-east its pride back though, then he'll leave with a much higher accolade - the key to the city.


http://www.theawayend.net/opinion/club-columnists/aberdeen/1570-how-derek-mcinnes-can-win-over-the-aberdeen-support

While I certainly don't agree with all of this, he comes rather closer to capturing the mood than any journalists do - and I include the local Aberdeen papers in that.
 

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My recollection of his St. Johnstone teams is that they did little more than sit deep and hope for the best most of the time.

Recall one game I was at at McDiarmid when he played 4-3-3 with three giant forwards and just hoofed the ball up to them the whole game (we won that one 1-0 and there were more than 5,000 Dons fans there).

Been hearing that he flirted with 3-5-2 at times in his time at Bristol City.

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We have the basis of a decent side - not that much needs to be changed in terms of personnel, but the team needs to be given a proper identity and needs to be given a plan of how to attack.

No matter how poor Aberdeen are, pretty much every team still shows up at Pittodrie intent on just sitting deep and trying to frustrate and hit on the break. Craig Brown never threatened to implement a plan of how the ball should be moved around in order to create space and chances.

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Firs thing he needs to do is decide on the out of contract players:

Rae, Milson, Osbourne, Naysmith, Fallon, Magennis.

Magennis is the only one I'd keep.

Osbourne is a very good player, but is just too injury prone.

GK

Shaughnessy-CB-Considine-Robertson

Jack---CM---CM

Hayes---Vernon---McGinn

Have Langfield as GK, but getting someone better should be a priority.

CB should be Anderson v Reynolds. Unfortunately, they'll probably both play and shove Considine to LB, even though we've seen time and again that Anderson and Reynolds do not work as a pair.

Hughes will probably be one of the CMs, but I'd rather he wasn't. Need a box-to-box player with a presence.


A lot of the anger against Brown this season is because we could all see that a good squad had been assembled and that he was making a complete arse of getting the best out of it.

McInnes is coming in in the rare situation of finding a good basis from which to build, rather than a complete rebuilding job.
 

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Being linked with Murray Davidson today. :tuttosport:

Wouldn't be up to the standard of Severin being Calderwood's first signing, but would be a cracking move nonetheless.
 

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Being linked with Murray Davidson today. :tuttosport:

Wouldn't be up to the standard of Severin being Calderwood's first signing, but would be a cracking move nonetheless.
Good player, don't see it happening though.

I think that he will either stay at St. Johnstone or go to England.
 

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Think he's already made it pretty clear he's leaving St. Johnstone.

I think his intention was to go to England, but we'll see if McInnes making a decent offer could persuade him not to.
 

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Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has told BBC Scotland the collapse of his bank in Lithuania has led to him losing all his assets.

Ukio Bankas is in interim administration with debts approaching £380m.

Romanov still controls Hearts as he remains the main shareholder in UBIG, the parent company of the club.

"All of our savings, all our companies, all of our activities were all in the bank," he said. "We have lost it."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21997929

:)
 

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Pretty clever of him, putting it all in the one bank.

Better to use the favourable conditions of his own bank than to have the safety of assets elsewhere? Clearly not.
 

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More trouble brewing in Govan. :)

Police have carried out a series of raids relating to the purchase of Rangers Football Club by Craig Whyte from Sir David Murray.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22099662

BBC Scotland has learned the former owner of Rangers is threatening to go to court to prove he still owns the club's assets.

Craig Whyte led the club into administration and liquidation last year before a consortium led by Charles Green took control.

But Whyte claims he was behind the takeover all along, with Green agreeing to be the front man.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22043867

Craig Whyte has been ordered to pay £18m to the finance firm Ticketus after he lost a claim against him at the High Court in London.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-22093410

Now the last one isn't anything to do with Newco because Ticketus went after Whyte personally. It's just funny to see him landed with a £18m bill. It may also be what has caused him to start flailing around and trying to take as many folk with him as possible.

The claim that Whyte and Green were in cahoots is much more serious for Newco. It would start to call into question whether it is a Newco or whether they still have to be considered responsible for the huge debts of the Oldco.

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In other news, here is a judge who is actually prepared to look at the law and not just throw a football fan in jail without even thinking about it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-22097356

Still, wouldn't really have complained if there was another Celtic fan in jail. He could even have taken the opportunity to go on hunger strike as a tribute to his terrorist heroes.
 

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So, the SPL attempt at reconstruction has failed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22151308

Not entirely sure of the financial implications, but I can't say I was keen on the suggested format, so I'm not particularly bothered that the vote hasn't passed.


And the AFC take on the meeting:

http://www.afc.co.uk/articles/20130415/spl-reaction-to-league-reconstruction-proposals-defeat_2212158_3145018

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Apparent evidence of collusion between Green and Whyte around the forming of the Newco:

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/221247-rangers-chief-charles-green-appointed-craig-whyte-to-sevco-5088/

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It should also be said that St Mirren were, at one time, seen as being in favour of the reconstruction.

Suggestion is that his view may have changed after having a meeting with people from New Rangers, who were very much opposed to the proposed changes.

I believe that is what Milne is alluding to when he says:

"One club in particular you would need to ask just exactly what their agenda is – St Mirren."


I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on any deals that may materialise between Sevco and St. Mirren in the future to see what may have been offered to St Mirren in order to buy their vote.

Ross County's opposition is a different matter because they had never really been particularly keen on the idea.

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There also remains the issue of the voting rules (11-1 or 9-3) that has not been resolved.

Reform of that was put on the table at the last minute to try and force through the proposals, but that wasn't enough to change the mind of those who were against the changes.
 

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The assets of Sevco 5088 Ltd include a claim, which has been independently reviewed by Leading Counsel who is also a Deputy High Court Judge, to all of the business and assets of RFC 2012 Plc which were purchased by Sevco 5088 Limited or Sevco Scotland Ltd from the administrators of RFC 2012 plc in June of 2012. Sevco Scotland Ltd was subsequently renamed The Rangers Football Club Limited and its share capital was acquired by Rangers International Football Club Plc, the shares of which are now traded on AIM. It is the position of Sevco 5088 Ltd that it is the rightful owner of the business and those assets. After examination of the evidence, Leading Counsel's advice is that there is a prima facie case to answer.

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/...rket-news-detail.html?announcementId=11552960

One has to wonder if trading in Newco's shares won't be suspended until all this stuff gets sorted out.
 

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Nothing interesting in McInnes's first game.

Only notable points were that Aberdeen played longer (which I'm fine with - if you ain't going to do anything good, don't mess about with the ball in dangerous areas) and the midfield was kept more compact.

Earth shatteringly exciting stuff.

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Oh, and it was a truly abysmal game, as Aberdeen v Hibs games invariably are these days.
 

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Former chief executive Charles Green has agreed to sell his shares in Rangers to Greenock bus tycoon James Easdale, BBC Scotland understands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22270973

This is a mighty hasty getaway Green seems to be trying to make. One would almost think he's realised he's been rumbled - with his dealings with Whyte coming out - and is trying to get his money out before it's too late.

Word is that Easdale is some sort of gangster type. If he's built his empire on crooked deals and intimidation he should fit in just fine at Ibrox.
 

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