Why did we rush him back in such a game? Might as well have played Bentancur. Odd choice, but I presume the medical staff and player said he was ready, it can happen.
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Allegri said he wanted to give him 30 minutes before starting him against Udinese. So I think he was given all clear.
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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Allegri said he wanted to give him 30 minutes before starting him against Udinese. So I think he was given all clear.
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
Allegri said he wanted to give him 30 minutes before starting him against Udinese. So I think he was given all clear.
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
He hasn't just stopped running suddenly. You really think lazy is something Allegri looks for in a midfielder? The amount of distance Sami covers has always been one of his strengths. He constantly makes runs in to the box to finish of moves while we attack and still rarely is out of position as he actually runs back to defend. On top of that Allegri makes this team cover huge amounts of ground horizontally to create positional superiority on the side of the play when defending. Again you feeling Sami is lazy doesn't actually make Sami lazy.
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Such a lazy player 
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Allegri said he wanted to give him 30 minutes before starting him against Udinese. So I think he was given all clear.
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
Khedira only played because Xabi Alonso was suspended for the final.
Ancelotti took him off and replaced him with Isco around the 58th minute when Real was losing 0-1. They ended up winning the game 4-1.
Khedira lost his position in the first team at Real Madrid around midway 2012/13, once Modric was fully integrated.
Ancelotti took him off and replaced him with Isco around the 58th minute when Real was losing 0-1. They ended up winning the game 4-1.
Khedira lost his position in the first team at Real Madrid around midway 2012/13, once Modric was fully integrated.
Allegri said he wanted to give him 30 minutes before starting him against Udinese. So I think he was given all clear.
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
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This is from the 16/17 season when we last made the CL final. I'd like to see some actual evidence on him being lazy or not giving his all rather than the basic "I just feel he is lazy".
Wait... Sir William the Tortoise from Sporting actually did more meters than Griezmann. I am in shock here
He hasn't just stopped running suddenly. You really think lazy is something Allegri looks for in a midfielder? The amount of distance Sami covers has always been one of his strengths. He constantly makes runs in to the box to finish of moves while we attack and still rarely is out of position as he actually runs back to defend. On top of that Allegri makes this team cover huge amounts of ground horizontally to create positional superiority on the side of the play when defending. Again you feeling Sami is lazy doesn't actually make Sami lazy.
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Such a lazy player
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Such a lazy player
But he feels Sami is lazy, so he must be.
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So Khedira covers the least ground out of three starting midfielders, and also covers less ground than a centreback. Wow, so impressive.
In any case, that Khedira jogs around the pitch a lot doesn’t change the fact that he’s an ineffective midfielder. He is not creative and he’s not good at recovering the ball.
In any case, that Khedira jogs around the pitch a lot doesn’t change the fact that he’s an ineffective midfielder. He is not creative and he’s not good at recovering the ball.
9 goals - 5 assists last season is not ineffective. Nor is 87% pass completion. Nor is the fact he is rarely dispossessed and rarely makes a poor touch. Last season he was also second on the team in distance sprinted per match behind Matuidi (1.036km -- .87km for Khedira)
Look, I want a better CM in our starting mid, but acting like he's terrible or even mediocre is just dumb. He's a good, solid, intelligent midfielder, who makes good runs forward with a decent final ball and breaks up play by filling space when we don't have possession, which is why he has been successful and a starter everywhere he's played.
Should we upgrade him? Certainly. And I am sure we shall eventually, but he isn't garbage like some suggest.
Look, I want a better CM in our starting mid, but acting like he's terrible or even mediocre is just dumb. He's a good, solid, intelligent midfielder, who makes good runs forward with a decent final ball and breaks up play by filling space when we don't have possession, which is why he has been successful and a starter everywhere he's played.
Should we upgrade him? Certainly. And I am sure we shall eventually, but he isn't garbage like some suggest.
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Alright I’m harsh on Khedira. He is a good midfielder with a great career behind him.
With that being said, I think that his decline over the last 12 months has been visible. Yes he scored a lot of goals last season, but I’m talking about his overall play. He’s simply not as sharp as he used to be.
I also think that Can compliments Pjanic better than Khedira does. I’ve always felt that Khedira+Pjanic is too unbalanced.
Khedira is a good player and he seems like a great guy. I don’t mind him in our team, but right now our best midfield is Pjanic-Can-Matuidi
With that being said, I think that his decline over the last 12 months has been visible. Yes he scored a lot of goals last season, but I’m talking about his overall play. He’s simply not as sharp as he used to be.
I also think that Can compliments Pjanic better than Khedira does. I’ve always felt that Khedira+Pjanic is too unbalanced.
Khedira is a good player and he seems like a great guy. I don’t mind him in our team, but right now our best midfield is Pjanic-Can-Matuidi
Never said Sami is terrible or mediocre, he's just lazy and that affects his game big time. I don't believe his decline last season and this one compared to his 2nd half form of 2016/17 is due to physical/tactical reasons, he's just not giving his 100% in most of the games. He still has the very good games from time to time, but they're too few and too far inbetween to be a starter
Look at his games in Serie this season f.e., the only one where he lasted the full 90 was against Sassuolo, and dude got 25(!) successful passes in 90 minutes. That's just hiding from the ball and you know it, if a midfielder refuses to get involved in the buildup, I don't know how else to describe him apart from lazy. It's not like he has less quality on the ball than Bentancur f.e. (65 passes in 90 minutes against Bologna), but "pure class" Sami would rather just let others do the work and pop up when the ball is in final third.
I wonder what others think about him. Clearly he is a very good midfielder who has a lot of qualities and has played for some very good teams and won a lot. Yet, even more clearly, he currently is not up to standards to be a starter at Juve, even his most vocal supporters say it. If it's not because of his effort lacking and if it's not because of lack of quality, then what is it, being 31? Surely that's not the age to give up on football if you're a pure class hard worker like Sami.
Look at his games in Serie this season f.e., the only one where he lasted the full 90 was against Sassuolo, and dude got 25(!) successful passes in 90 minutes. That's just hiding from the ball and you know it, if a midfielder refuses to get involved in the buildup, I don't know how else to describe him apart from lazy. It's not like he has less quality on the ball than Bentancur f.e. (65 passes in 90 minutes against Bologna), but "pure class" Sami would rather just let others do the work and pop up when the ball is in final third.
I wonder what others think about him. Clearly he is a very good midfielder who has a lot of qualities and has played for some very good teams and won a lot. Yet, even more clearly, he currently is not up to standards to be a starter at Juve, even his most vocal supporters say it. If it's not because of his effort lacking and if it's not because of lack of quality, then what is it, being 31? Surely that's not the age to give up on football if you're a pure class hard worker like Sami.
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