Sad state of serie A (attendances) (1 Viewer)

Respaul

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England's poor relations put Serie A in shade
First Published: Aug 03, 2005

The Championship, English football's second tier, is now officially more popular than Italy's Serie A, traditionally the preserve of Europe's silky soccer millionaires.
It's about Millwall rather than Milan, Reading not Roma and Ipswich instead of Inter.

Humble it may be but the rough and tumble of The Championship, English football's second tier, is now officially more popular than Italy's Serie A, traditionally the preserve of Europe's silky soccer millionaires.

The 24-team league, which gives three sides each season access to the riches of the Premiership, witnessed a 10-percent increase in crowds in 2004/2005 to 9.8 million.

That made it the fourth most-watched division in Europe behind the Premiership (12.8 million), the German Bundesliga (11.57 million) and Spain's La Liga (10.9 million) but, remarkably, ahead of Serie A.

It is also the sixth highest generator of revenue on the continent, according to Football League figures.

"Young players are getting the opportunity to shine in The Championship," said England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson.

"It is a competition that will continue to contribute a great deal to the England team. Players such as Michael Carrick, Andy Johnson and Shaun Wright-Phillips all starred in the league before going on to represent England."

The profile of The Championship, which kicks off a new season on Saturday, is helped by the pulling power of some of the English game's sleeping giants.

Leeds United boast a 40,000 capacity at their Elland Road ground while Wolves can squeeze almost 30,000 into their Molineux headquarters.

For their part, Southampton, who were relegated from the Premiership last season, can call upon England rugby union World Cup-winning coach Clive Woodward to work with their squad.

The attraction for The Championship, where the hurly-burly, high-speed nature of the game is in stark contrast to the slow-quick-slow approach of Serie A, isn't hard to explain.

Promotion at the end of the season means life in the rarefied atmosphere of the Premiership.

The top two go up while the third promotion spot is through the nerve-shredding play-offs.

"The play-off final can be worth 25-35 million pounds," said Stewart Regan, the director of The Championship.

"It makes the game the single most valuable match to the winner in any sport in the world."

Football League authorities make that claim based on the financial gap between the two divisions.

"One of the stats which has been mentioned recently is that it would take a Championship club about 25 years to earn the same amount of money as the bottom club playing in the Premiership for one season," said Regan.

One way of curing the financial headache, believes Regan, is to use The Championship's status to put pressure on European governing body UEFA to grant the winners a place in the Intertoto Cup.

"We've been turned down before because we are a second tier competition," he admitted.

"So I am saying to our clubs: 'Let's show how powerful The Championship is and then go back to UEFA."
 

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Tom

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There are 24 clubs though.. plus additional agmes and the Cardiff showpiece (70,000 spectators) which distort the figures a bit. Having said that serie A has playoff sometimes. Would be interesting to know the average gate for the normal matches of both leagues, to see which would come out on top.

Can't really make excuses though.. its pretty poor on serie A's behalf, probably a cultural thing more than anything.
 

JRulez

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think u nailed it on the head about the cultural thing, the english pack out the stadiums no matter what, though tv has probably affected the italian attendances. Is it blanket coverage in italy or is that just confined to the big teams?
 

swag

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++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
Can't really make excuses though.. its pretty poor on serie A's behalf, probably a cultural thing more than anything.
But how can it really be a cultural thing. If calcio is in Italian blood like pasta, as an Italian friend of mine put it... If the Italians fight wars like soccer matches and soccer matches like wars, as the saying goes...

How can Italians just not really show up for the games?
 
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Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
    There are 24 clubs though.. plus additional agmes and the Cardiff showpiece (70,000 spectators) which distort the figures a bit.
    I'll have to see if i can find the details (was in several papers last week) but from what i remember these figures are jus from the standard games in each league... eg. no playoffs etc... But yes there is a few extra games... but its still a glaring example of the gradual fall in attendances that is affecting the whole of italy at this time... and yes i believe like you said its a cultural thing and increasing ly magnified by the sheer ease of watching any game you like from the comfort of your own armchair in this day and age... Its been coming ever since the start of telepui and stream
     
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    Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
    If calcio is in Italian blood like pasta, as an Italian friend of mine put it...
    This idea to me has allways been a fallacy and not reality...
    Ive lived in italy, worked in italy, i spend about a third of my ife there... But ive never noticed it being any more passionate about football than many other european countries... Personally i would say that england and spain are more passionate about football in everyday life
     

    Arttk

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++

    The attraction for The Championship, where the hurly-burly, high-speed nature of the game is in stark contrast to the slow-quick-slow approach of Serie A, isn't hard to explain.
    Series A is slow, ok, but the Championship is more fun to watch???
     

    mikhail

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    ++ [ originally posted by Arttk ] ++
    Series A is slow, ok, but the Championship is more fun to watch???
    For a lot of the people following it, it's exciting enough. The fact that they grew up in that town, that it's their club is more than enough to make up for the gap in quality. Believe me, I see it all the time on a much lower scale again.
     

    swag

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    This idea to me has allways been a fallacy and not reality...
    Ive lived in italy, worked in italy, i spend about a third of my ife there... But ive never noticed it being any more passionate about football than many other european countries... Personally i would say that england and spain are more passionate about football in everyday life
    Well thanks for blowing that fantasy for me... :groan:
     
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    Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by juventus2 ] ++
    As i said if you look to the graph... serie a's decline started in 97 which ties in with the launch of telepui and stream having live coverage of every single game... They were launched in late 95 and it took a couple of years to build a subscrber base... soon as that was established its all down hill for attendances

    You can also plot the rise of the hooligan era in england to the drop in supporters from 77 til 85... Then the rise starting after the ban from europe and stamp out of hooliganism in 85
     

    mikhail

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    As i said if you look to the graph... serie a's decline started in 97 which ties in with the launch of telepui and stream having live coverage of every single game... They were launched in late 95 and it took a couple of years to build a subscrber base... soon as that was established its all down hill for attendances
    Certainly true to some extent. TV coverage doesn't seem to ahve hurt England or Germany though.

    I think that lean patch in the CL mightn't have helped either.
     
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    Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

    Certainly true to some extent. TV coverage doesn't seem to ahve hurt England or Germany though.
    In england you cant watch every game live... we only get a handful... you can actually see more live matches from the epl on sky italia than you can on sky uk
     

    mikhail

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    In england you cant watch every game live... we only get a handful... you can actually see more live matches from the epl on sky italia than you can on sky uk
    Fair enough - I hadn't realised how many live games there were in Italy. Is that package cheap? Sky don't usually bother going for the whole market with low prices.
     

    mikhail

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    Its roughly the same price scale as sky in the uk
    IIRC, it's still no dearer to go to the match live, right? I would have thought the atmosphere would be worth the trip for more people.
     

    Nicole

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    except for the odd fa cup, league cup or england game their isnt a live football (premiership) on tv in uk. thats obviously without sky
     

    OwenWilson

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++

    Humble it may be but the rough and tumble of The Championship, English football's second tier, is now officially more popular than Italy's Serie A, traditionally the preserve of Europe's silky soccer millionaires.
    Wow, what a poorly worded piece that is. Sounds like something Fred Weasley would write.
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    This idea to me has allways been a fallacy and not reality...
    Ive lived in italy, worked in italy, i spend about a third of my ife there... But ive never noticed it being any more passionate about football than many other european countries... Personally i would say that england and spain are more passionate about football in everyday life
    Ah, shoot..... That was the thing I looked most forward to now that I've been accepted in the student exchange programme and most likely heading for Italy :frown:

    Why would anyone choose to watch Serie A on tv than going to the stadium? After all the games are on weekends. I support a local team and I go see them play at the stadium most of the time than watch them on tv. The atmosphere makes a distinct difference in both experiences
     

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