What I don’t get is that the people saying “but America, but the west, but nato” are not saying “but Putin, but Russia, but China” when America does something shitty and everyone condemns America for it. As American Tuz members can well attest, America is a punching bag. No one defends what America is and has done, it gets criticized endlessly. But now that Russia is invading a democratic neighbour for zero real reasons other than Putin’s ego, they have to start excusing and justifying with the “but the west” excuses. It’s absurd.