Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (116 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

They trying to end this immediately

But Ukraine isn’t some third world country, ruled by a hated dictator, with a third rate military. They don’t match up to Russia’s military of course, but they have quite a capable military that seems highly motivated to defend their nation. They aren’t Iraq. This was never going to be a 1-2 day operation imo and Putin and his crowd believing so seems awfully arrogant and foolish. Maybe I’m wrong and this ends quickly, but I think they in for some ferocious fighting first.

 

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Ukraine seems to be preparing for the long fight. Balls of steel for the government mvps to stay there as they will probably be captured or killed

I guess that begs the question how far is russia willing to go against a defiant Ukranian population. Even fi they take Kyiv tonight the only way they can supress Ukranian resistance willbe through extreme intimdation / violence?

We might be about to witness some dark things. Surely Russia planned for this, and if they made the move to invade, will execute

 

[Bjerknes]

But Ukraine isn’t some third world country, ruled by a hated dictator, with a third rate military. They don’t match up to Russia’s military of course, but they have quite a capable military that seems highly motivated to defend their nation. They aren’t Iraq. This was never going to be a 1-2 day operation imo and Putin and his crowd believing so seems awfully arrogant and foolish. Maybe I’m wrong and this ends quickly, but I think they in for some ferocious fighting first.

Kiev has 3 million people. Everyone knows urban combat is very grueling and intense. Just because Russia takes over a couple government buildings doesn't mean they control the city. It took months to control Baghdad FFS.

 

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Kiev has 3 million people. Everyone knows urban combat is very grueling and intense. Just because Russia takes over a couple government buildings doesn't mean they control the city. It took months to control Baghdad FFS.

Sure. I suppose the main concern is what Russia is willing to do to expedite that schedule.

 

[Post Ironic]

@Bjerknes

Another indication that Russia is running into far fiercer resistance than expected and they were prepared for.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-25...s-show-how-russia-is-preparing-for-casualties

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Fantastic thread:

 

[Post Ironic]

Fantastic thread:

That is fantastic. Thanks for sharing it

 

[Bjerknes]

Sure. I suppose the main concern is what Russia is willing to do to expedite that schedule.

Not sure what they could do. It's not like they have the ability to predict where they'll get resistance. It will turn into urban combat similar to Baghdad, Beirut, or Kabul, where it's extremely difficult to maintain unless you just level the city. So the other concern is Putin throwing a tantrum and deciding to bomb it, set fires with their MLRS flame throwers, or other crazy shit.

Ukraine gov reporting that they successfully defended the city through the night attacks. Hope it's true.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Not sure what they could do. It's not like they have the ability to predict where they'll get resistance. It will turn into urban combat similar to Baghdad, Beirut, or Kabul, where it's extremely difficult to maintain unless you just level the city. So the other concern is Putin throwing a tantrum and deciding to bomb it, set fires with their MLRS flame throwers, or other crazy shit.

Ukraine gov reporting that they successfully defended the city through the night attacks. Hope it's true.

I mean in terms of going outside the preferred strategy. How far they might be willing to brutalize the population.

Hard to imagine they didn't move unless they were prepared to do that.

 

[Alex-444]

Not sure what they could do. It's not like they have the ability to predict where they'll get resistance. It will turn into urban combat similar to Baghdad, Beirut, or Kabul, where it's extremely difficult to maintain unless you just level the city. So the other concern is Putin throwing a tantrum and deciding to bomb it, set fires with their MLRS flame throwers, or other crazy shit.

Ukraine gov reporting that they successfully defended the city through the night attacks. Hope it's true.

they said the goal is Nazis and not peaceful people who want to let them go home

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he said friends lol
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z1aAv_tzvm4

 

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[Post Ironic]

I mean in terms of going outside the preferred strategy. How far they might be willing to brutalize the population.

Hard to imagine they didn't move unless they were prepared to do that.

From everything being reported it seems they expected not much resistance…

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I mean they are calling for help with the invasion from their allies. They’re putting out urgent calls for doctors, etc only a couple days in as if they thought they wouldn’t be needed… seems like they misjudged things

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What a hero.

 

[kao_ray]

not saying that
I'm trying to understand what moved Russia to invade Ukraine.
That does not mean that I support in anyway what they're doing

Excerpt from the lecture "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer"

And everyone around me is against what Putin did. I'm not defending him. But many people in the West are living in an emotional fantasy that their more sophisticated civilization gives them some advantage over the morality of killing other people.

 

[Post Ironic]

Excerpt from the lecture "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer"

And everyone around me is against what Putin did. I'm not defending him. But many people in the West are living in an emotional fantasy that their more sophisticated civilization gives them some advantage over the morality of killing other people.

Nah. You’re practicing whataboutism at its finest lol. And please. The US is the world’s punching bag for its foreign conflicts and meddling for the last decades. Everyone shits on the US non-stop including me.

The emotional fantasy is from those who are deluded into thinking America and the west are anywhere near the level of corruption and evil of the brutal authoritarian regimes in countries like Russia and China.

So perhaps people, right in this moment, should shut the fuck up with the idiotic “but what about this thing America did” and “it’s the fault of the west” for Putin being a murderous dictator with delusions of grandeur and restoring the old USSR, so he’s invading a democratic nation of 40 million to conquer them and bring them into the fold whatever the cost. Maybe take a break to reevaluate your own fantasy if you need to bring up “but America” every time some dictator does something terrible.

 

[kao_ray]

Nah. You’re practicing whataboutism at its finest lol. And please. The US is the world’s punching bag for its foreign conflicts and meddling for the last decades. Everyone shits on the US non-stop including me.

The emotional fantasy is from those who are deluded into thinking America and the west are anywhere near the level of corruption and evil of the brutal authoritarian regimes in countries like Russia and China.

So perhaps people, right in this moment, should shut the fuck up with the idiotic “but what about this thing America did” and “it’s the fault of the west.” For Putin being a murderous dictator with delusions of grandeur and restoring the old USSR so he’s invading a democratic nation of 40 million to conquer them and bring them into the fold whatever the cost. Maybe take a break to reevaluate your own fantasy if you need to bring up “but America” every time some dictator does something terrible.

You are too emotional.

 

[Post Ironic]

You are too emotional.

Nah. I’m tired of stupid ass nonsense bashing and blaming the west for what Putin’s doing. But you have been trying to blame America and the west since before this began, and were wrong about everything leading up to it, so don’t let me stop you.

 

[kao_ray]

Nah. I’m tired of stupid ass nonsense bashing and blaming the west for what Putin’s doing. But you have been trying to blame America and the west since before this began, and were wrong about everything leading up to it, so don’t let me stop you.

I still blame the West for giving false hopes to Ukraine. Even more so after the stupid madman Putin did the unthinkable.

 

[Post Ironic]

I still blame the West for giving false hopes to Ukraine. Even more so after the stupid madman Putin did the unthinkable.

And I blame west-bashing apologists like you for enabling leaders like Putin.

When you make grand statements about how it’s america and the military industrial complex that want a war in Ukraine, not Putin. And he’s having his hand forced by them. Then you are part of the reason tyrants like Putin can act with near impunity today.

 

[kao_ray]

And I blame west-bashing apologists like you for enabling leaders like Putin.

What a fantasy. I guess it's my fault that half of Europe is depended on Russian gas or that no one is mad enough (yet) to start a nuclear war against Russia.

Or it is my fault that US and it's allies don't respect another point of view about Geopolitics. According to you it will be OK for the US if Russia, China and Iran entered an anti-US alliance. Then started to do steps to get Mexico in this alliance while inspire them to be more aggressive towards the US. And to top it all start weaponizing them and even suggesting to give them Nukes.

I guess it's my fault that Uygurs are suffering in China while Lebron James is sucking a fat Chinese cock because he doesn't want NBA to lose money. Or maybe I should start rooting for a Nuclear war with China over Taiwan - fuck diplomacy and compromises when dealing with communists. Fuck it all, right?

 

[Strickland]

You are too emotional.

Putin is a war criminal and completely in the wrong here, you dont even need much research to conclude that, just look at the countless reports at the way war has been conducted by Russians the past couple of days - needless attacks on civilians, pointless murders from clear position of power.

The biggest thing the West did wrong was not moving forward with the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine in the NATO in 2008. Russia doesnt want a buffer zone for their safety, they want a buffer zone to be able to occupy again and again and these assholes need to be stopped.