Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (81 Viewers)

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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Have these fucktards ever heard of Estonia and Latvia?
He is right in that first video. Baltic countries getting in NATO was already provocation considering NATO was not supposed to expand after the fall of the Berlin wall. These countries, for their own sake, should probably have stayed neutral.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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There are so many videos of abandoned Russian tanks and some destroyed ones, I think the offensive today didn’t go as planned in the north.

At Mariupol the battle is intense, reports say
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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He is right in that first video. Baltic countries getting in NATO was already provocation considering NATO was not supposed to expand after the fall of the Berlin wall. These countries, for their own sake, should probably have stayed neutral.
Absolutely not. They’d be part of Russia several years ago had they not joined NATO. And given the atrocities and crimes committed by the Soviets against Estonians, etc, a lot of them are terrified of being annexed by Russia again. I have quite a few Estonian friends. There is a lot of animosity still towards Russia.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Absolutely not. They’d be part of Russia several years ago had they not joined NATO. And given the atrocities and crimes committed by the Soviets against Estonians, etc, a lot of them are terrified of being annexed by Russia again. I have quite a few Estonian friends. There is a lot of animosity still towards Russia.
I have quite a few Latvian friend, all of them hate Russia.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Sorry man, I hope this gets resolved, i said this because not staying neutral means Russia will go apeshit as we're seeing right now.

Ukraine should be sovereign, Russia is a big threat to that
And staying neutral meant Russia would have annexed the Baltic years ago. And those countries would be ruled by authoritarian puppets under Putin, any dissent being crushed. It was a ridiculous assertion that they should have stayed neutral. The Baltic nations deserve self-determination and can make their own choices about alliances and spheres of influence to better the lives of their people.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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Sorry man, I hope this gets resolved, i said this because not staying neutral means Russia will go apeshit as we're seeing right now.

Ukraine should be sovereign, this is all ill say
Would you not seek protection if you lived next door to a violent thug? Or would you just stay quiet to lower the risk of not aggravating him? Moving to a different location is not an option if you’re a country.
NATO membership essentially means Putin cannot fuck around with these countries, no matter how tiny they are.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
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Sorry man, I hope this gets resolved, i said this because not staying neutral means Russia will go apeshit as we're seeing right now.

Ukraine should be sovereign, this is all ill say
You really don't understand russia. There are no neutral countries who border russia. You either are a puppet state like Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine before 2004 and before 2014 etc or you are an enemy. And an enemy who is not protected by NATO is basically free real estate.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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Russia doesn't need any reason to go apeshit. It's just how Russia is. Baltic states did everything absolutely right.
You really don't understand russia. There are no neutral countries who border russia. You either are a puppet state like Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine before 2004 and before 2014 etc or you are an enemy. And an enemy who is not protected by NATO is basically free real estate.
Point taken. You are best to know about that.
 

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