Ruh Row, Korean Conflict Brewing (3 Viewers)

[Ahmed]

Same can be said about the US. Just remember that not everybody here is for the invasion of Iraq and Iran. Hell, some of the soldiers aren't for it either.

Only the criminal leaders really are.

I know you're not Andy, and I respect you for that...you at least have cared to look at the other side of the equation, something that certainly cannot be said about a few others in here.

and 'Uncle Sam' stands for the US govt., not for the American people, right?

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I know you're not Andy, and I respect you for that...you at least have cared to look at the other side of the equation, something that certainly cannot be said about a few others in here.

and 'Uncle Sam' stands for the US govt., not for the American people, right?

He's not Andy?



And yes, Uncle Sam is the "government" not the people.

 

[Ahmed]

youknowwhatthefuckImeanBurke!

 

[X Æ A-12]

Kylie, you're naive and misinformed, please give it up.
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That is not even an argument, if thats all you have to say then why even reply?

I think you are more paranoid about Iran using nuclear weapons. I base my opinion on facts, you base it on pure speculation about a country you probably just recently found out was in Asia.


This is what I say:


Why is it ok for Israel and the US to have nuclear weapons but its not ok for Iran to have them?

Why do some people consider Iran to be more likely to use their weapons, when Israel has a history of using banned substances and banned weapons and its government is responsible for the death and deportation of hundreds of innocent civilians per year?

Why do people consider Iran to be more likely to use nuclear force than the US who has already demonstrated its ability to use nuclear weapons?

Why do people consider Iran to be a bigger threat to the middle eastern region when its the US that funds dictators like Mubarak so they can stay in power, and its the US that has invaded countries like Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretenses and its the US that is only second to Israel in terms of who kills more innocent civilians every year?



This is what you say:


Its ok for the US to have nuclear weapons because other countries have them too. The fact that other countries have nuclear weapons however is not a good enough reason for Iran to have nuclear weapons(double standards??)

There is a bigger chance that Iran will use its nuclear weapons than the US. (Reasons for this have not been fully explained yet)

Wow I'm surprised it took that long for this same shit again.

This debate is useless because you ignore what I am saying completely and only respond to words that you put in my mouth. I'm done.

 

[Osman]

Well the same can be said of Iran. They are smarter than to nuke a country unless they were attacked first.




I think you are more paranoid about Iran using nuclear weapons. I base my opinion on facts, you base it on pure speculation about a country you probably just recently found out was in Asia.


This is what I say:


Why is it ok for Israel and the US to have nuclear weapons but its not ok for Iran to have them?

Why do some people consider Iran to be more likely to use their weapons, when Israel has a history of using banned substances and banned weapons and its government is responsible for the death and deportation of hundreds of innocent civilians per year?

Why do people consider Iran to be more likely to use nuclear force than the US who has already demonstrated its ability to use nuclear weapons?

Why do people consider Iran to be a bigger threat to the middle eastern region when its the US that funds dictators like Mubarak so they can stay in power, and its the US that has invaded countries like Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretenses and its the US that is only second to Israel in terms of who kills more innocent civilians every year?



This is what you say:


Its ok for the US to have nuclear weapons because other countries have them too. The fact that other countries have nuclear weapons however is not a good enough reason for Iran to have nuclear weapons(double standards??)

There is a bigger chance that Iran will use its nuclear weapons than the US. (Reasons for this have not been fully explained yet)

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Shut up, Swede.

 

[IrishZebra]

The US will invade countries and support dictatorships if it benefits them. See Iraq, they invaded the country and removed Saddam H for the oil. If they had invaded Iraq to give Iraqis freedom why don't they do that with Cuba? Myanmar?

That's actually a stated policy aim in their strategy for energy security

 

[Fred]

Let me break it down for you, in order to show you that i did not put any words into your mouth. Please feel free to correct me, in fact i'd appreciate it very much if you did correct me if i got any of your posts wrong. The bolded part are words i quote directly from your posts.

This is what you say:


Its ok for the US to have nuclear weapons because other countries have them too.
The fact that other countries have nuclear weapons however is not a good enough reason for Iran to have nuclear weapons(double standards??)

I am completely against Israel having nuclear weapons as well but of course I'm happy my own country has them if other countries do.

The fact that the Israeli's have nukes is not at all a good reason to let the Iranians have them.

So because one government that shouldn't have nuclear weapons does the other government that shouldn't have them either should get them just to make things fair?





There is a bigger chance that Iran will use its nuclear weapons than the US. (Reasons for this have not been fully explained yet)


The US is not going to be nuking anybody anytime soon

There is absolutely no way you can claim to know the reason the Iranian government is developing nuclear weapons, I don't claim to and that is what is frightening about it.

You also still did not answer my questions btw, you obviously have been dodging them:

Why do some people consider Iran to be more likely to use their weapons, when Israel has a history of using banned substances and banned weapons and its government is responsible for the death and deportation of hundreds of innocent civilians per year?

Why do people consider Iran to be more likely to use nuclear force than the US who has already demonstrated its ability to use nuclear weapons?

Why do people consider Iran to be a bigger threat to the middle eastern region when its the US that funds dictators like Mubarak so they can stay in power, and its the US that has invaded countries like Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretenses and its the US that is only second to Israel in terms of who kills more innocent civilians every year?

Point is, your government is by far the worst government ever when it comes to foreign policy. Your government is responsible for war crimes in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, your government has instigated most of the conflicts in this region, your government is by far more dangerous to world peace than Iran, yet it seems that an imperialist government like your own is allowed to have whatever weapons it wants, while Iran doesn't.


PS: I'm sorry for the comment about the geography comment, it was completely wrong and uncalled for from my part.

 

[IrishZebra]

To be fair Fred the USA is sanctioned to posess nuclear weapons under International Law

 

[Bjerknes]

Point is, your government is by far the worst government ever when it comes to foreign policy.

Throughout history?

That's just fucking absurd. Read up on your history.

I can see how one can say that US foreign policy has been horrendous (even I admit that), but stuff like the above is nothing but propaganda.

 

[IrishZebra]

Throughout history?

That's just fucking absurd. Read up on your history.

I can see how one can say that US foreign policy has been horrendous (even I admit that), but stuff like the above is nothing but propaganda.

Exactly, the United States had an impecible general foreign policy record up to the Korean War. There's so much shit about the U.S. being the root of all evil in its' Foreign Affairs which is untrue, it's only after the 'Domino Effect' became ingrained in the national mindset that things took a turn for the worse.

American is:
33% Absent when Help is needed
33% Involved when Help is needed
33% Involved when no Help is needed or Wanted
1% Perfectly judged and executed

As an Irishman I'm very grateful for the security umbrella that the United States has provided for most of the life of my state and their economic friendship that has led to unprecidented economic growth here. I am rather dissapointed that they did not aid my countries struggle for independence in an offical capacity, planned to invade us as a neutral country during WW2 and the Rendition thing.
As many people owe thanks to the USA as people the USA owes apologies to.

 

[Fred]

Throughout history?

That's just fucking absurd. Read up on your history.

I can see how one can say that US foreign policy has been horrendous (even I admit that), but stuff like the above is nothing but propaganda.

Please point out to me where i said throughout history. Your country hasn't even been around for more than a few centuries, so i don't know why you would think i meant its the worst throughout history.

Its the worst right now though, no doubt about that.

 

[IrishZebra]

Nah it's ell a Tie between Russia the US and the economic imperialist China

 

[Bjerknes]

As an Irishman I'm very grateful for the security umbrella that the United States has provided for most of the life of my state and their economic friendship that has led to unprecidented economic growth here. I am rather dissapointed that they did not aid my countries struggle for independence in an offical capacity, planned to invade us as a neutral country during WW2 and the Rendition thing.
As many people owe thanks to the USA as people the USA owes apologies to.

That's what folks tend to forget.

Unfortunately, those that radically demonize the US discredit themselves and their own cause.

Please point out to me where i said throughout history. Your country hasn't even been around for more than a few centuries, so i don't know why you would think i meant its the worst throughout history.

Its the worst right now though, no doubt about that.

Here is what you said.

"Point is, your government is by far the worst government ever when it comes to foreign policy."

"Worst ever" means throughout the duration of history. And that would be nothing more than a lie or propaganda.

 

[Fred]

That's what folks tend to forget.

Unfortunately, those that radically demonize the US discredit themselves and their own cause.



Here is what you said.

"Point is, your government is by far the worst government ever when it comes to foreign policy."

"Worst ever" means throughout the duration of history. And that would be nothing more than a lie or propaganda.

I did not mean it like that, though upon reflection i admit my wording was not right.

 

[Ahmed]

That is not even an argument, if thats all you have to say then why even reply?

I'm not replying to anything, I'm stating a fact.

 

[Bjerknes]

I can't see an internal explosion causing this much damage. This sucker was torpedoed.

 

[Bjerknes]

Not good.

S. Korea on alert as N. Korean subs disappear in East Sea

SEOUL, May 26 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's military was tracking four North Korean submarines which disappeared from their east coast base after conducting naval training in the East Sea earlier this week, a military official in Seoul said Wednesday.

Locations of the North's four 300-ton-class submarines have been unknown for two days, the military official said, noting, "We are tracking the four submarines by mobilizing all naval capabilities in the East Sea."
The submarines left the Chaho base located near the Musudan-ri missile launch pad site in North Hamgyong province in North Korea's northeast coast, according to the official.

Tensions on the Korean Peninsula flared after a multinational investigation concluded last week that a North Korean submarine slipped into the South's waters near their Yellow Sea border and attacked a South Korean warship with a torpedo, killing 46 crew members on March 26.

A slew of military measures announced this week by the South's government include an anti-proliferation sea drill targeting the North's weapons traffic, joint anti-submarine and maritime drills with the U.S. and a resumption of psychological warfare against the North.

North Korea, which denied any involvement in the sinking, has threatened to cut all inter-Korean relations and wage an "all-out war" in response to any punishment attempts.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/05/26/0200000000AEN20100526001200315.HTML

 

[IrishZebra]

If China can be persuaded to trade border security with NK for added regional hegemony then the Kim will fall.

 

[cunninlynguists]

Third world war is on his way