Roberto Pereyra - Midfielder - Udinese (12 Viewers)

[Vlad]

I was talking overall, but about Pereyra.

Important or not, we don't spend big. We'd back off from a race if teams go in, like we did in the past.

I as well. We can pull more weight on the market than clubs like Atleti and we've spent quite a nice sum in the previous few seasons. We took advantage of some opportunities in the last few years; players like Llorente, Tevez, Pogba, Pirlo, Vidal, Licht, were all brought for relatively small sums, and generally after Secco's reign we needed major overhaul in our team, thus low cost solutions were preferred, but still those turned out to be great signings in the end. That said we don't need to bring 7-8 players this summer, but maybe 2-3, and those that will make a difference and help us to make that final leap in the CL. The fact that we didn't spend big in the last few years on individual players has very little to do with our financial strength and potential. Aguero rumors were laughable at that time, but Sanchez rumors now have little different connotation and seem plausible.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

I as well. We can pull more weight on the market than clubs like Atleti and we've spent quite a nice sum in the previous few seasons. We took advantage of some opportunities in the last few years; players like Llorente, Tevez, Pogba, Pirlo, Vidal, Licht, were all brought for relatively small sums, and generally after Secco's reign we needed major overhaul in our team, thus low cost solutions were preferred, but still those turned out to be great signings in the end. That said we don't need to bring 7-8 players this summer, but maybe 2-3, and those that will make a difference and help us to make that final leap in the CL. The fact that we didn't spend big in the last few years on individual players has very little to do with our financial strength and potential.

Funny how we've been hearing about that ever since we came back to Serie A. "This year we're rebuilding the squad and replacing many players, next summer we'll spend big for sure". Even if we do spend big, I'm speaking about individual players and their transfer fee, which as you said, has been relatively low ever since Secco went out. It was not an opportunity but our transfer policy for the last few years. We'll see how this summer turns out to be but there's no way I'm gonna be surprised if by the end of August I see posts like "we needed more players in order to fill the gap when Mirko, Quag and others left, that's why we didn't spend big on one player, but next summer we surely will".

I'm sick of hearing "oooh watch us spend 20mln+ on a player now". You know what, we've been waiting for many years to see that. If you was active on Tuz you'll know what I'm talking about. Overall number might be big in our mercato, but individually our average spending is like 10-12mln, when you ignore those free transfers (and 300k for Barzagli).

But yeah, watch us spend big now

Hell, I hope I'm wrong. But there's no way I'm having high hopes. Not after what I've learned in the past when it comes to our transfers.

 

[Vlad]

Funny how we've been hearing about that ever since we came back to Serie A. "This year we're rebuilding the squad and replacing many players, next summer we'll spend big for sure". Even if we do spend big, I'm speaking about individual players and their transfer fee, which as you said, has been relatively low ever since Secco went out. It was not an opportunity but our transfer policy for the last few years. We'll see how this summer turns out to be but there's no way I'm gonna be surprised if by the end of August I see posts like "we needed more players in order to fill the gap when Mirko, Quag and others left, that's why we didn't spend big on one player, but next summer we surely will".

I'm sick of hearing "oooh watch us spend 20mln+ on a player now". You know what, we've been waiting for many years to see that. If you was active on Tuz you'll know what I'm talking about. Overall number might be big in our mercato, but individually our average spending is like 10-12mln, when you ignore those free transfers (and 300k for Barzagli).

But yeah, watch us spend big now

Hell, I hope I'm wrong. But there's no way I'm having high hopes. Not after what I've learned in the past when it comes to our transfers.

While at it, what about Asamoah, he was payed 18m, Matri 18.5, Isla will be payed 19m in the end, so that 10-12 figure is not reliable, as we did spend more than that.

But we started all this with if Juve and Atleti were chasing the same players what would be the outcome. You can't seriously believe that clubs like those could outbid us on the market or that players would prefer them, if we're interested. Unrealistic.

Whether or not we start to bring quality from now on has to do with our strategy, finances are there as we've seen by the figures we've spent, 60-70m per year. We've also seen that in Europe we might need a real game changer, ala Sanchez, Nani when fit... and that requires different strategy than the one we've been practicing in the last couple of season, when we indeed had lot of gaps to fill and despite our illustrious history we couldn't attract top names back then. Now we're among European elite, again, and players like these will be more willing to come.

 

[Dostoevsky]

While at it, what about Asamoah, he was payed 18m, Matri 18.5, Isla will be payed 19m in the end, so that 10-12 figure is not reliable, as we did spend more than that.

Matri was bought because it was a panic buy and we needed a striker so they went ahead to rip us off. Both Asamoah and Isla were co-owned and transfer fees don't work that way and we didn't surely spend it in one summer on them. You can't count on co-ownerships if we're buying Sanchez or someone.

Better list Barzagli, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, Tevez, Llorente, Licht.

Whether or not we start to bring quality from now on has to do with our strategy, finances are there as we've seen by the figures we've spent, 60-70m per year. We've also seen that in Europe we might need a real game changer, ala Sanchez, Nani when fit... and that requires different strategy than the one we've been practicing in the last couple of season, when we indeed had lot of gaps to fill and despite our illustrious history we couldn't attract top names back then.

Oh yea, again the overall figures.

It's not like I don't agree that we need a real game changer, ala Sanchez, I'm just saying we don't have a chance to sign him unless we sell. Nani doesn't require a different strategy at all. In fact, he's one of those typical Marotta signings we're seeing, as he'd fit the 10-12mln bill with a big heavier wages (less than Llorente, though).

Even Marotta said:

“Now we want to raise the bar when it comes to investments, but first we must increase our firepower by raising more revenue. It is also necessary for the team to grow in terms of experience."

This BUT alone says quite a lot. It says we're not there YET. But we're doing better than before (which I agree with).

“However, Juventus do not depend just on the so-called 'top player’ and favours teamwork. Just look at the number of different players who find the net."

And this also points out that we're not chasing star players.

Look, if we spend big on one player this summer, then THAT is gonna be a huge surprise for us (for me at least). Simply because that was not our transfer policy, but it's just fans who keep saying "we're ready to spend big this summer" while in fact, none of those fans knows our financial situation. If we sell either Vidal or Pogba, then it's a different story. But otherwise no.

 

[Vlad]

Matri was bought because it was a panic buy and we needed a striker so they went ahead to rip us off. Both Asamoah and Isla were co-owned and transfer fees don't work that way and we didn't surely spend it in one summer on them. You can't count on co-ownerships if we're buying Sanchez or someone.

Better list Barzagli, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, Tevez, Llorente, Licht.

Doesn't matter whether it was a panic buy, the important thing is that we spent and we had means to spend. Also doesn't really matter whether we're talking about co-own deals, installments, as figures are accounted in their full amount in our books. We can find an agreement with clubs, which are mostly willing to accept such terms, as basically it's how majority of European clubs operate, they tend to avoid significant outflows of funds during one FY, even clubs that some here assume that have money to spend have adopted that kind of strategy; or we take a loan and pay the full amount, and instead of repaying it to selling clubs, we repay it to the financial institutions. And we have good source for that.

Oh yea, again the overall figures.

It's not like I don't agree that we need a real game changer, ala Sanchez, I'm just saying we don't have a chance to sign him unless we sell. Nani doesn't require a different strategy at all. In fact, he's one of those typical Marotta signings we're seeing, as he'd fit the 10-12mln bill with a big heavier wages (less than Llorente, though).

Even Marotta said:

“Now we want to raise the bar when it comes to investments, but first we must increase our firepower by raising more revenue. It is also necessary for the team to grow in terms of experience."

This BUT alone says quite a lot. It says we're not there YET. But we're doing better than before (which I agree with).

“However, Juventus do not depend just on the so-called 'top player’ and favours teamwork. Just look at the number of different players who find the net."

And this also points out that we're not chasing star players.

Look, if we spend big on one player this summer, then THAT is gonna be a huge surprise for us (for me at least). Simply because that was not our transfer policy, but it's just fans who keep saying "we're ready to spend big this summer" while in fact, none of those fans knows our financial situation. If we sell either Vidal or Pogba, then it's a different story. But otherwise no.

I'm not gonna bother with Marotta's quotes as anyone can interpret them differently. Elkan said the other day that we're interested in Drogba, but I've interpreted it as a classic media trolling and diverting of attention from our summer plans. We'll see Dule, I'm not saying that we will spend big on one player, but only that we can. By big I'm not talking about 30m or more, but 20-25m is within our means.

Also Agnelli said this last winter: If Juve finds a player suitable, be it a top player, we can spend. But we will not spend for the sake of it, as we've seen mega rich oil clubs are doing each summer. Luiz deal is classic example of that absurdness.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I'm not gonna bother with Marotta's quotes as anyone can interpret them differently. Elkan said the other day that we're interested in Drogba, but I've interpreted it as a classic media trolling and diverting of attention from our summer plans. We'll see Dule, I'm not saying that we will spend big on one player, but only that we can. By big I'm not talking about 30m or more, but 20-25m is within our means.

Fine, we'll see. My guess is that we'll see this: Us spending 'big' on several players, yet no game changer. We'll usually focus on those who can fit in both formation so we can switch from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 and vice versa. But IMO there's no single parameter saying that we'll do anything different than in previous seasons (not to mention how we didn't change it after reaching QF of the CL, let alone now after choking in CL groups). We'll try to find a LB and somebody to cover Asamoah, most likely Lulic. We'll try to buy a bench CM (Pereyra) and we'll go after a couple of wingers in order to make winger formation viable (Nani, Cerci, Menez). But spending big on one player, nope, no way. Hopefully I'm wrong but like you said -- we'll see how that turn outs.

 

[Vlad]

Fine, we'll see. My guess is that we'll see this: Us spending 'big' on several players, yet no game changer. We'll usually focus on those who can fit in both formation so we can switch from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 and vice versa. But IMO there's no single parameter saying that we'll do anything different than in previous seasons (not to mention how we didn't change it after reaching QF of the CL, let alone now after choking in CL groups). We'll try to find a LB and somebody to cover Asamoah, most likely Lulic. We'll try to buy a bench CM (Pereyra) and we'll go after a couple of wingers in order to make winger formation viable (Nani, Cerci, Menez). But spending big on one player, nope, no way. Hopefully I'm wrong but like you said -- we'll see how that turn outs.

We didn't change it after CL quarters because we're certain that we're on the right path. I think mgt has realized some things after our abymal European campaign.

Ok, here's my list: Sanchez, Nani/Menez, Pereyra, Evra/Lulić and one forward for a petty sum.

 

[Dostoevsky]

We didn't change it after CL quarters because we're certain that we're on the right path. I think mgt has realized some things after our abymal European campaign.

Ok, here's my list: Sanchez, Nani/Menez, Pereyra, Evra/Lulić and one forward for a petty sum.

Evra extended his contract so you can erase him.

That would make a very good mercato, though, I'd be happy to see that happen without a doubt. Pretty much just like mine, bar the best part which is Sanchez.

 

[LiquidPLP]

DP84 you better be right. If we end up with getting just Pereyra, Drogba and Lulic then I'd call it a failure mercato. As things stand the Sanchez deal would change everything for me.

I had some hope for Immobile coming back but it really doesn't look like it. We're likely to get ripped off by taking just 10m out of the deal while freaking Luiz goes for 50m and Destro for 30m? The market is so inflated right now and we seem to be unable to sell top-scorer Serie A CF for proper money

Just with proper sales of Immobile + Bonucci/Ogbonna we could fund a very nice mercato for ourselves. Add to that heavy wages of Vucinic and Quag + possible Isla's sale.

 

[zizinho]

DP84 you better be right. If we end up with getting just Pereyra, Drogba and Lulic then I'd call it a failure mercato. As things stand the Sanchez deal would change everything for me.

I had some hope for Immobile coming back but it really doesn't look like it. We're likely to get ripped off by taking just 10m out of the deal while freaking Luiz goes for 50m and Destro for 30m? The market is so inflated right now and we seem to be unable to sell top-scorer Serie A CF for proper money

Just with proper sales of Immobile + Bonucci/Ogbonna we could fund a very nice mercato for ourselves. Add to that heavy wages of Vucinic and Quag + possible Isla's sale.

Cronios would say Marotta cant sell . but seriously, it all depends on how much someone is ready to pay. im sure that if PSG/Monaco would want Immobile, he would go for more than 30M. Wolfsburg has a lot of money, and they can afford to spend 30M on Destro. Dortmund on the other hand depends on money from sales and CL so they cant afford expensive players without selling (like Gotze last year). im still hoping we can raid Atletico Madrid. when they sell Costa for 40M, we could ask for 30M or more from them since they will have money. they got Falcao from the Aguero money, so if they sell Costa, they might spend big on a striker again

 

[Vialli_92]

On a scale of 1-10 how much of a difference will this guy make to our team in attack?

 

[ZoSo]

0 difference

 

[Bartolo]

On a scale of 1-10 how much of a difference will this guy make to our team in attack?

he should be signed AFTER AND ONLY AFTER we get Sanchez. Pereyra is nothin more than a ultity player

 

[Bianconero81]

It seems we prefer securing utility players first tho. Only then, do we go for the bigger transfer and complain about lack of funds and such.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Cronios would say Marotta cant sell . but seriously, it all depends on how much someone is ready to pay. im sure that if PSG/Monaco would want Immobile, he would go for more than 30M. Wolfsburg has a lot of money, and they can afford to spend 30M on Destro. Dortmund on the other hand depends on money from sales and CL so they cant afford expensive players without selling (like Gotze last year). im still hoping we can raid Atletico Madrid. when they sell Costa for 40M, we could ask for 30M or more from them since they will have money. they got Falcao from the Aguero money, so if they sell Costa, they might spend big on a striker again

I meant we shouldn't be in rush to sell. Immobile for 20m by today's standards i a stel.

 

[Wahdan]

A poor man's Vidal with a hint of a good man's Pepe.

Would bang for a decent price.

 

[Lancelot]

 

[Cronios]

Apart from the three starters, we have marchisio, asamoah, isla, padoin and we can always bring back youngsters like Maronne for extra depth.
We dont need more depth players, we need qualified players of great quality to improve us in europe.
This is exactly where Conte disagrees with our transfer strategy, we are wasting our budget around on meaningless transfers like that and we still have starter issues...

 

[clapton]

he should be signed AFTER AND ONLY AFTER we get Sanchez. Pereyra is nothin more than a ultity player

+1

 

[frzl]

he should be signed AFTER AND ONLY AFTER we get Sanchez.

by then we would probably have to deal with roma or atletico...
i don´t think this deal will lower our chances to sign sanchez. there is a lot of talk about several players like marrone, rugani and zaza being involved in the deal.

Pereyra is nothin more than a ultity player

for all we know conte is absolutely dying to have him. we definately were missing a player like him last season.