Rappers and bad behavior (1 Viewer)

Chxta

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In the rap world, a criminal background is the ultimate resume.

The former drug dealer Beanie Sigel, who spent years bucking the law before getting his big break as a Jay-Z protege, has never lacked for street cred. With his menacing glare and criminal-minded rhymes, the Philadelphia native positioned himself as one of the most authentic gangstas on the rap scene.

But last year he was sentenced to a year in prison on a weapons charge, and still faces a retrial on an attempted murder charge (the first case ended in a mistrial last fall). Now, as he releases his latest album from behind bars, Sigel is among a number of high-profile rappers finding that a criminal present may not be as lucrative as a criminal past.

With the exception of arguably rap's greatest artist -- Tupac Shakur -- most rappers who have done significant time have been unable to sustain their careers or revive them after being released. And while some have suggested that Lil' Kim, who was recently convicted of perjury, will gain more street cred if she goes to prison, the examples of rappers like Shyne suggest otherwise.

"There's no credibility in going to jail," declares Damon Dash as he talks about Sigel, the star of the Roc-a-fella label Dash started with Jay-Z. "I don't think it's ever a positive thing and I would never advocate anybody going to jail and I don't think Beanie would ever advocate it -- Beanie did a crime, and right in front of the judge, he said, 'I said I did my crime, so I'll do whatever time you give me.' "

Dash talks a lot about what Sigel says and thinks -- because Sigel can't do it himself. He's at a federal prison in solitary confinement (which Dash blames on overzealous corrections officials), unable to promote "The B. Coming," his third album.

So the charismatic mogul Dash has become Sigel's stand-in, doing radio spots, appearing on TV shows, conducting interviews -- all the things artists normally do to push a new album.

"If they're going to try to put him in a place where he can't make money, we're going to try to reverse that, where we benefit from it to some degree, even though there's no real benefit from him being in jail," Dash said. "But we're going to make best of it, like making lemons into lemonade."
A stockpile of music

And Dash has made enough lemonade to go around. Before Sigel (born Dwight Grant 31 years ago) was sentenced, he finished three albums worth of material, several music videos and filmed his starring role in Dash's crime drama flick "State Property II."

Dash even recorded Sigel's attempted murder trial and his entrance into prison for documentary fodder; some segments have already been shown on BET and MTV. His album cover shows him in a prison cell, glumly looking at the camera. And the saturation looks like it's helped: "The B. Coming" debuted at No. 3 on the album charts, selling about 131,000 copies, the best debut of his career.

"We had to do enough music to keep him prevalent in the market while he was gone," Dash said, "because we didn't know how long he'd be gone."

While a numerous high-profile rappers have been charged with crimes at the height of their fame -- such as Eminem, P. Diddy, Jay-Z and DMX -- few have been sentenced to significant prison terms. Those who have -- including Shyne, ODB, C-Murder, Mystikal and Slick Rick -- often see their careers slide.

Antoine Clark, editor in chief of F.E.D.S. magazine, which chronicles street criminals and rappers, says time behind bars may help boost a rapper's tough image but won't help sell more records.

"For one, they're not going to have any promotion," says Clark. "Two, the people on the street, they want to hear a good record."

Clark pointed to Shyne, who was charged along with mentor P. Diddy in a 1999 nightclub shooting. While Diddy was acquitted, Shyne -- who had impressive success as a debut artist before his criminal troubles -- was sentenced to 10 years for wounding two people in the disturbance.

Last year, Island Def Jam signed the incarcerated rapper to a reported $3 million record deal, and he released the album "Godfather Buried Alive," which contained some raps he recorded from prison over the telephone.

Yet the album didn't even go gold, and was considered a major disappointment. In March, a judge froze Shyne's assets until lawsuits filed by victims in the case are resolved.

"These rappers, they somehow have it twisted, they think that if they go to prison, we're going to love them more," said Clark. "It doesn't really happen like that."
'Being in here is a setback'

Another penitentiary release, on Koch Records, is the latest album from C-Murder, the brother of Master P, who was convicted in 2003 of second-degree murder in the killing of a 16-year-old boy. C-Murder (born Corey Miller) has maintained his innocence and is appealing the verdict. On Tuesday he changed his stage name to C-Miller.

In a phone interview with The Associated Press shortly after his album was released in late March, Miller said he thought his time behind bars would help his career: "I think that fans will relate to me more because I've been through a struggle ... I think they'll respect the fact that I was put in a bad situation."

However, "If I was out of prison, I would be able to promote my album more, I can go on the road and tour," he said. "Actually being in here is a setback."

Still, a source at Koch Records who did not want his name used for fear of hurting Miller's case said executives there considered his incarceration more of a positive.

"Clearly, from a P.R. marketing point of view, I would be lying to you to say the prison controversy didn't help sell records," said the executive. "There's been a tremendous amount of television coverage about the making of the record, the making of the video," which was filmed behind bars and later outraged the sheriff. It has sold just 43,000 copies in its first two weeks of release.

Dash is hoping the notoriety from Sigel's case will help the respectable-selling rapper go platinum. Although he certainly doesn't want his star rapper in prison, Dash is shrewd enough to see that Sigel's time behind bars can only solidify his street cred -- which Dash can't help but play up.

"Where some rappers glorify things they've never done, or speak about things that they never done, when Beanie speaks he's talking about his emotions, his opinions on things that are going on directly in his life," said Dash. "It would be like, what if John Gotti could sing?"
 

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Tupac Shakur went to jail, and came out with a song titled "Picture me rollin". In it, he addressed the prison officials and the prosecutors. He told them to picture him rollin. Tupac's albums continue to go platinum even today, but this isn't a testament to gangasterism. It is a testament to the fact that Tupac was quite simply an extraordinarily gifted artiste. He was however, the father of the gangster rap genre of music in which the use of all range and manner of deadly weapons on one's enemies is freely advocated, all in the name of freedom of speech. He also had the most famous (and deadliest) rap feud in history which ultimately claimed not only his life, but that of a certain Christopher Wallace, aka The Notorious B.I.G. With the loss of these two great musicians to violence, the rap world eventually simmered down as cooler heads prevailed, albeit too late for Tupac and Biggy. And it was hoped that these young men had learnt their lessons on violence from the greatest teacher of them all: Nemesis.

It is, however, undeniable that going to jail boosts a rapper's street credit. Then it can be said of them that having gone to jail once before, when they rap about such things as commiting murder, armed robbery and drug dealing, such acts have now come within their personal knowledge, and gives their rhymes some plausibility. 50 Cent for example in his song "Wanksta" says: "Yeah I commited crime, I did it three to nine..." and goes on in the chorus to castigate those who have yet to see the inside of a jail cell: "You say you a gangsta, but you never pop nothin, You see you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin..." Indeed, he wears the fact that he's been shot nine times and survived as if it is a Congressional Medal of Honor. His first album went multi-platinum, driven by such "gangsta" rhymes. It is therefore no surprise that having sung and made money of such fantasy raps, they would want to try it out for real. As a result, many of them make magnificently stupid mistakes, which then lead to jail time, and the consequence of such acts that they dont rap about: loss of income, loss of reputation and loss of freedom.

I mean, when they rap about poppin a cap in yo' ass, and so on, the next line isn't: "and the cops got me and I'm goin to jail now" because, in their fantasy world, they go free. But when they do these crimes in real life, the police knock on their doors and say,"Reality check."

Beanie Sigel is in jail for commiting a crime. Now, for those who know their history, the name Beanie Sigel ovbiously sounds a lot like Benny Seagel, aka Bugsy, a notorious gangster in the 1950s, who was incidentally shot dead in his home over a hotel project in Nevada. So, a young man took the name of an old, long dead gangster. Why? Because he ovboisuly felt he was one too. Not dead at least, but a gangster. And now, he is in jail, and the record label is doing everything humanly possible to gloss over what he has done. And the public is lapping it all up. Greedily. That his album appears to be doing well, will only give impetus to some other misguided soul to follow in his footsteps. Because the message from the rap music world appears to be:

Do a crime, go to jail, get rich and famous.

Only an idiot would but that message. Sadly, however, the world is full of idiots.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Gangsta-rhymin', street cred rappers showing how "tough" they are by doing crime and time... That schtick was moderately interesting for a while. Like 10 years ago.

Now it's just a self-parody. A mockery of itself. It's old. It's tired. That old dog doesn't know any new tricks.

Isn't there any serious rap artist with an original bone left in their body? Where's the next De La Soul when you need them? -- just to point out how much navel-gazing stupidity is going on between rappers these days.
 

Zé Tahir

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why can't be about how society is corrupt, or how millions of ppl are living in poor conditions, or about any contemporary issues, or even about personal life. It's all about MONEY, CASH, HOES as Jay-Z puts it. Look at every rapper, there is nothing NOTHING different about any of them. I used to love Rap, but i'm just getting sick of this shit. That's why i listen to foreign rap now, it's much better.
 
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Chxta

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    What's your email address? Maybe I could send you some Nigerian rap.
     

    Elnur_E65

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    Feb 21, 2004
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    Hip-Hop is the biggest Joke in the US entertainment industry.

    Now I was really into it back in the NWA days up until some late 90s. But what's happened to it now? This "music" has no rythm, lyrics are terrible, it is all just sad and pathetic.
     

    swag

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    I suppose anything that's culturally edgy or interesting gets sucked into the mainstream, attracts a lot of copy-cats (and their management) out for the cash more than the creation, and gets commoditized by the mainstream.

    At this rate, it may only be a matter of a couple years before NWA songs are used to sell Right Guard deodorant. :rolleyes:

    Rap is dead. :skull:
     

    jaecole

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    Apr 7, 2005
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    Sell outs.

    Really think about it. Your 50cent, you have enough money to set you for the rest of your life and you still have ALOT of money to make. You'll have too much money. So what do you do? Sell yourself to the corporate whores and become nothing more than a puppet for a sports brand?

    Now seriously, it's ok to sell yourself if you need to, if your finished and washed up and need the cash to make yourself think your still current. But with 50cent pulling a Jay Leno, I would never listen to that fvcks music or take him seriously ever again.

    Rap music died along time ago. I never liked it anyway ;)
     

    Bjerknes

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    I wouldn't say rap is dead.

    And if any of you were in the same position as Fifty you would sell out too. The whole notion of "sell outs" is retarded because everybody would do the same. You have a talent, you'll sell yourself to make the cash. Don't be idiotic.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    I wouldn't say rap is dead.

    And if any of you were in the same position as Fifty you would sell out too. The whole notion of "sell outs" is retarded because everybody would do the same. You have a talent, you'll sell yourself to make the cash. Don't be idiotic.
    man i don't see why u support them so much. You were saying earlier how D12 and Eminem still hang around in Detroit, well why the fvck would you trace your troubles rather than go away from them! Why they still gotta walk around on the streets acting all tough and stuff when they know it's just gonna create problems, it's foolish! The other thing, who the hell forced 50 to be a sell out? Also, why aren't rappers like the Beasty Boys vitcim to this thing?
     

    Bjerknes

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    It's not that I support them or want to be them, but I do understand where their coming from. That is their homeland per se, and you know where you feel at home. Eminem lives just outside Detroit in the suburbs, however he does go down to his "office" in the downtown area. I just don't understand what everybody's problem is with them. If you don't like them, don't listen to them. It's not like Bizarre is holding a Nine to your head..
     

    jaecole

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    I wouldn't say rap is dead.

    And if any of you were in the same position as Fifty you would sell out too. The whole notion of "sell outs" is retarded because everybody would do the same. You have a talent, you'll sell yourself to make the cash. Don't be idiotic.
    No your being idiotic if you don't understand why people take exception to sell outs. You have a talent then use it, don't sell fvcking doritos.

    Selling out if for Britney Spears, Beyonce and other such worthless musicians. 50 cent just joined the list, like or not.

    And no I wouldn't sell out right now for a million pounds, nevermind if I was famous and people actually respected me.
     

    jaecole

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    By that logic I hate every single celeb. Just when your onto something you always balls it up with posts like that.

    And what argument? I have no problems with rap of its stars doing crime or being in Jail. I don't care. Just find the 50cent reebok thing to be too much when hip hop is supposed to be a counter culture movement. We can look past the mainstream success and media whoring because thats just the buisness and their success, but when someone makes a personal choice to affiliate himself with a company like that for more money. He has fvcked it for himself.

    But then I guess hip hop is no longer counter culture and is becoming all about how much money you have and how many companies you start.

    Hence hip hop, in its true form atleast, is dead. End of discussion.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Well I have never been a big fan of 50 and his Reebok thing is indeed a bit too much. However people will do anything to get their hands on cash because that's what makes to world go round.
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
    By that logic I hate every single celeb. Just when your onto something you always balls it up with posts like that.
    I never was really on to something in this because it's all down to personal opinion. Actually it's a futile discussion.
     

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