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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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The Bundelsiga has Bayern who are miles ahead of everyone else, both in terms of financial clout and results on the pitch. La Liga has the two colossal shitbags (Atletico are making it interesting this season, but that is a once in a decade occurrence). I don't see the necessity of a super strong Milan and Inter. Players still wanna play for Bayern, and the two Spanish giants, even though they dominate and destroy opponents year in year out.

I'd rather be destroying and owning Serie A every season, and gaining automatic entry to the CL, than struggling and fighting for one of 3 spots with 5-6 strong opponents, as is the case in the EPL this season. Fuck the rest of the league. They fucked us, and now we are back. I hope we continue to set the pace, lead by example, and remain light years ahead of all our opponents, especially those filthy scum Inter.
We will never be Barcelona, Real or Bayern of this league. Our president even publicly says that we'll have a hard time keeping our new 20 year old superstar Pogba. When the hell did we sell our 20 year old superstars 10 years ago and how often do you see Barca, Real and Bayern.

And there is no real difference between us and the Milan teams. We're both poor as fuck, with debt and the majority of our signings come from low wage players and co-ownerships of Serie A players. It's just that we got lucky with some of our budget signings. We're not beating them through our spending ability. And you think this is a good development? Oh, I'd especially love to see you shit on Marotta when he can't sign your favorite players while wishing the Serie A to stay poor so we can rack up a bunch of inflated scudettos.
 

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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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You guys are clearly missing the big picture, just look at Arsenal and see how proud they are with being part of a very strong league and having great finances. Trophies are just numbers and after all being 4th in EPL is better than winning Scudetto.
So if other clubs improve we'll become Arsenal of Serie A? Serie A was the best league in the world during the 90es, with 6-7 great teams, and we're the team who won most silverware in that period. We have big fan base, new stadium, steady income, great history and appeal with that, the likes of Roma, Napoli or Fiorentina might pose a threat for a year or two, but Juve will always find its way to the top.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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We will never be Barcelona, Real or Bayern of this league. Our president even publicly says that we'll have a hard time keeping our new 20 year old superstar Pogba. When the hell did we sell our 20 year old superstars 10 years ago and how often do you see Barca, Real and Bayern.
Disagree. Before the calciopoli we were earning as much as other top clubs. I don't see anything strange in that we're struggling at the moment compared to the best teams in Europe because we lost couple of years in the top flight. Nothing can be done in one day. The president also said that we only need couple more years to compete financially again. Maybe we won't be able to spend 100 milion euro every mercato but I doubt it will prevent us from building a team able to win the CL.

And there is no real difference between us and the Milan teams. We're both poor as $#@!, with debt and the majority of our signings come from low wage players and co-ownerships of Serie A players. It's just that we got lucky with some of our budget signings. We're not beating them through our spending ability. And you think this is a good development? Oh, I'd especially love to see you $#@! on Marotta when he can't sign your favorite players while wishing the Serie A to stay poor so we can rack up a bunch of inflated scudettos.
Since when a team that spends most wins? You're saying that we were lucky but maybe we were just smart? Why the hell spend 40m on Pastore if You can have Vidal for 10m?

As for the Milanese teams, opposite to them we have a concept that we are bringing to life for a while now. Namely Juventus Stadium, Continassa, new sponsorship deals. That's our advantage. And the money will come.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
So if other clubs improve we'll become Arsenal of Serie A? Serie A was the best league in the world during the 90es, with 6-7 great teams, and we're the team who won most silverware in that period. We have big fan base, new stadium, steady income, great history and appeal with that, the likes of Roma, Napoli or Fiorentina might pose a threat for a year or two, but Juve will always find its way to the top.
Why bring the 90s on this?

If Milan get a Sheik for example and we end up winning shit I bet we would be really happy that our opponents are strong.

I'm pro having a strong league in general, but not as Suns says 1 or 2 strong opponents, who would challenge us and help the league nothing.

Look and Barca and Real, they buy whoever they like but I still don't see how does that help the likes of Valencia.
 

Pirlo's Beard

Junkie Joe Joyce
Oct 2, 2013
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Exactly

A small number of resurgent mega-rich competitors making our lives a struggle isn't good for anybody except the clubs themselves


But, if we re-structured the league and it eventually became stronger from top to bottom, then we'd have a case

But Milan pulling a PSG just means we have to compete with a team year in/year out who can drop 50M on a player in January just to re-enforce the squad, because FFP is a joke

So, no. 1 mega-rich team isn't going to start a domino effect and make the entire league better. Why don't you ask Lyon and Marsielle how much they've benefited from 2 clubs coming out of nowhere and overtaking them.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,064
Why bring the 90s on this?

If Milan get a Sheik for example and we end up winning shit I bet we would be really happy that our opponents are strong.

I'm pro having a strong league in general, but not as Suns says 1 or 2 strong opponents, who would challenge us and help the league nothing.

Look and Barca and Real, they buy whoever they like but I still don't see how does that help the likes of Valencia.
I brought up 90es as we're along with Milan probably the best European club in that period, winning domestically and in Europe; and Italy had 6-7 strong teams, then known as 7 sisters. I'd even say that our mgt had more incentive to improve then team each year as winning the title was far from certain, unlike these days when anything but another Juve's triumph would be perceived as a major upset. In the context in which you mentioned Arsenal, EPL, their struggle to win trophies as a result of fierce competition, even though financial resources they do posses and their investors unlike fans are satisfied, I could find very few connections. But I agree with you that an overall quality of the league needs to improve and that's why I don't find it satisfactory to see best players leaving each summer to England or Spain. I'd rather that players like Radja move to Roma, Milan or Inter instead if Juve cannot afford these or find them as a surplus.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,090
Why bring the 90s on this?

If Milan get a Sheik for example and we end up winning shit I bet we would be really happy that our opponents are strong.

I'm pro having a strong league in general, but not as Suns says 1 or 2 strong opponents, who would challenge us and help the league nothing.

Look and Barca and Real, they buy whoever they like but I still don't see how does that help the likes of Valencia.
The interest in Serie A is going down rapidly and something has to change. Wishing for the league to become even worse is not the solution.

I think you've misunderstood the point. What I'm trying to say is that Inter and Milan will lift this league WITH us, not without us, which in the end will benefit us as well to take the next step.

The league is already strong overall, we got teams like Napoli and Fiorentina doing well but the problem Serie A has is that the top quality is lacking, which is the group we belong to. Players are losing interest in this league and nobody sees Serie A as a final destination anymore. They are more interested in Italy being a stepping stone to something bigger and better. The league has become a selling league and the difference between today and 10 years ago was that guys like Cavani, Hamsik and Sanchez would be playing for Juventus, Inter and Milan instead of leaving abroad and through that we were always one of the contenders for the Champions League every year.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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I think to attract interest domestically, the clubs apart from just star power have to be intelligent marketing commodities. The Italian clubs whether for the lack of cultural understanding or laziness or foresight have not understood this strategy and it's benefits in its entirety. A league doesn't necessarily get popular because CR7 is part of the team (a player of that calibre is surely a game changing element no doubt) but point being there's a lot more that's required. Italian clubs have sat on a high horse for far too long, and taken their position for granted when they were the 'it league'. They didn't understand the business of the game, in say, the same way Epl did.

When we talk about being a second tier league, it's not just because there's no Ibra, Messi or Falcao. Or that Inter and Milan are not the powerhouses we know them to be traditionally. It's because, they haven't integrated with the modular aspect of the game, as it is today. They dont have their own stadiums, they still fight over tv rights, and their short sighted marketing modules which should be aimed at making them visible in developing countries, with so much untapped potential, don't even have that in focus. It is here, that people have all the spending power but they have no reference point. Theyre not bound by tradition, so will always likely support a team that's visible on the pitch and accessible on some level, off it.

When you don't have the resources to buy a CR7 to mobilize opinions, then you should have equally sound strategy to offset the equation. Milan, Juve and Inter are all guilty of that. That is where the difference lies. Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, will all make it a point to go east in pre season, but where do Juve, Milan and Inter go, if they go at all? USA?! Seriously?! That approach is never going to give them the visibility they need especially at time they don't have the presence in the CL against more illustrious, forward thinking competition. Italy is tied to football culturally, and the big clubs will always have support coming from within that domain, the benefit to which is, they have the leeway to go and find new fans, and increase their base, rather than appeasing those who will always be around, since it's family tradition.

Juventus in some ways has modernized its approach, but is still a long way off from being recognized as a popular football club in this era. Even Bayern, that on the surface of it have come from a weaker league have used their tradition and resources to garner the right kind of visibility and press, while they were building to be the team they are today - by going to all sorts of young markets and that holds them in good stead today. Winning the CL has converted lots of fans for sure, but that conversion rate perhaps wouldn't have been as rapid if they didn't come on tours, or set up annual coaching clinics in destinations most Italian clubs would scoff at.

I guess, all in all, it's a bit of a vicious cycle, but when it comes to bucking the trend, or even reversing it, the marketing mindset maybe a great place to start.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,190
The interest in Serie A is going down rapidly and something has to change. Wishing for the league to become even worse is not the solution.

I think you've misunderstood the point. What I'm trying to say is that Inter and Milan will lift this league WITH us, not without us, which in the end will benefit us as well to take the next step.

The league is already strong overall, we got teams like Napoli and Fiorentina doing well but the problem Serie A has is that the top quality is lacking, which is the group we belong to. Players are losing interest in this league and nobody sees Serie A as a final destination anymore. They are more interested in Italy being a stepping stone to something bigger and better. The league has become a selling league and the difference between today and 10 years ago was that guys like Cavani, Hamsik and Sanchez would be playing for Juventus, Inter and Milan instead of leaving abroad and through that we were always one of the contenders for the Champions League every year.
You know the real reason why Cavani, Sanchez et all have left Serie A and it has nothing to do with the quality of the football.

Hell, guys like Thiago Silva and Ibra are quoted almost weekly saying they miss Italy and would love to play there again. Money rules in football. Today more than ever. Until a whole bunch of rich guys come in and in invest in teams like they do in the EPL, all this will continue.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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You know the real reason why Cavani, Sanchez et all have left Serie A and it has nothing to do with the quality of the football.

Hell, guys like Thiago Silva and Ibra are quoted almost weekly saying they miss Italy and would love to play there again. Money rules in football. Today more than ever. Until a whole bunch of rich guys come in and in invest in teams like they do in the EPL, all this will continue.
good. we are going to see more youth development in italy so more and more overpriced players are going to be sold to those oil heads and serie a will start to rebuild its empire again :)
 

Yuckerini

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Sep 25, 2013
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what is this guy going to offer that Asamoah doesn't?
A leftback and a CAM/Winger would be better for us.
Vidal,Pogba,Pirlo, Asamoah, Marchisio, Padoin, Isla, Buoy
that's 8 players for 3 spots and 4 if we use Claudio as a right wing forward
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
I guess, all in all, it's a bit of a vicious cycle, but when it comes to bucking the trend, or even reversing it, the marketing mindset maybe a great place to start.
Exactly my thoughts, the league was just too arrogant and self-centerd back in those days that they didn't see a need to maintain the worldwide image and fanbase that they had, that is the only reason the EPL and the spanish and german leagues gas pumpped us.

Add to that the unparalleled desire and ability of the italian media to sabotage thier own league and you got all the answers to why we fell behind
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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i would rather have jorginho than radja... hes more of a creative midfielder and he said that he learns from pirlo. bring him here so he can learn better :D
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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I dont want Serie A to be a joke like the EPL or La Liga. The league needs new owners with ambition and smart business decision making just like Agnelli. Berluschoni and Galliani did not move with the times and are now paying the consequences of being to stubborn. Napoli have a really good owner in De Laurentis it has to be said. Fiorentina are moving in the right direction as well.

Money is one factor but there is a lot more to running a club than spending 100 million each summer. We are not far away from competing at the top level in CL, Conte still has to prove himself in the CL and we need maybe 4 players to be competitive again. It's not impossible.
 
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