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I'm really sorry not being so sensitive but I didn't know this is so holy subject to to you.Creatine is doping,it isn't it legally but it's practically.Many teams used it,so did Juve too.
Accept it and get over it.They knew what they were doing.End of story.All teams used it cause it made them better.They knew it was morally questionable but they did it.So they used doping.
Davids used doping.He and other Dutch players didn't accidentally got caught.He used it.Accept it.
I don't know much about creatine,nandrolone or any other stuff like that.I'm not interested.But I know that they intensionally used stuff which improves their,i don't know,ability to recover?
Maybe it's not in the law book but we all know: they used stuff which is morally wrong.Why we have to hide that fact? If I'm totally wrong please I beg you correct me...but they used artificial stuff to be better.Maybe it's not legally doping,it's morally doping.
Accept it and get over it.They knew what they were doing.End of story.All teams used it cause it made them better.They knew it was morally questionable but they did it.So they used doping.
Davids used doping.He and other Dutch players didn't accidentally got caught.He used it.Accept it.
I don't know much about creatine,nandrolone or any other stuff like that.I'm not interested.But I know that they intensionally used stuff which improves their,i don't know,ability to recover?
Maybe it's not in the law book but we all know: they used stuff which is morally wrong.Why we have to hide that fact? If I'm totally wrong please I beg you correct me...but they used artificial stuff to be better.Maybe it's not legally doping,it's morally doping.
It's morally wrong? Come on, we all know that there is no place for morals in the modern world, even in sports, there's too much money involved. And why should any supstances they use to improve themselves be morally wrong? It's just another way of improving yourself, just like lifting weights or working out in a gym for example. Just because they use chemicals doesnt mean it's morally wrong. I dont and wouldnt use it, but I see no problem if they do, as long as it's not illegal.
"There's no place for morals in the modern world" .You're damn right there isn't! But if there's no place for it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist! I'm not a hyppocrite,I know very well what's happening in the sports."If you don't get caught it's not wrong." That's the punchline of today's world .But I understand that too.What am I to judge them? I know everybody are using them.I don't care what they are doing to develop themselves.
BUT,if the most people are using it it doesn't mean it's right. "Look,all my friends are taking heroine,I quess it's not wrong then."
"And why should any supstances they use to improve themselves be morally wrong? It's just another way of improving yourself, just like lifting weights or working out in a gym for example. Just because they use chemicals doesnt mean it's morally wrong"
Well why in the hell are the courts all over the world thinking to ban those substances? Why in the hell most supstances are categorisized to doping?
This is going near to the question "Why there is a concept called doping? Maybe we should legalize all ways to make it to the top? They use it anyway so what harm that would bring?"
If you think that way that using doping should be allowed in whole sports,ok,I'll give you title to your opinion BUT,
"I dont and wouldnt use it"
why wouldn't you use it then? Because it's unhealthy that's right! Maybe that's the reason they are illegal.
"but I see no problem if they do, as long as it's not illegal."
Me neither.But let's face it: they are using something that it is morally questionable.But I accept it.Actually I'd be mad if they wouldn't cause then they wouldn't be so good!
BUT,if the most people are using it it doesn't mean it's right. "Look,all my friends are taking heroine,I quess it's not wrong then."
"And why should any supstances they use to improve themselves be morally wrong? It's just another way of improving yourself, just like lifting weights or working out in a gym for example. Just because they use chemicals doesnt mean it's morally wrong"
Well why in the hell are the courts all over the world thinking to ban those substances? Why in the hell most supstances are categorisized to doping?
This is going near to the question "Why there is a concept called doping? Maybe we should legalize all ways to make it to the top? They use it anyway so what harm that would bring?"
If you think that way that using doping should be allowed in whole sports,ok,I'll give you title to your opinion BUT,
"I dont and wouldnt use it"
why wouldn't you use it then? Because it's unhealthy that's right! Maybe that's the reason they are illegal.
"but I see no problem if they do, as long as it's not illegal."
Me neither.But let's face it: they are using something that it is morally questionable.But I accept it.Actually I'd be mad if they wouldn't cause then they wouldn't be so good!
Its not a holy subject to me at all.
Yes it is a subject i am very intrested in and have followed sports doping in great detail for the last 5 or so years, including having several articles on the subject published.... but holy it definately isnt.
I have no problem whatsoever with discusions about doping it is your misuse of the facts and ill informed ramblings that i object to.
All im saying is stick to the facts!!
Creatine is not and never has been doping.
Creatine has been submitted to testing by every major sports governing body and barring 2 has been deemed perfectly legal.
Whether you agree with the use of supplements or not is not an issue.... Creatine IS NOT DOPING.
Many clubs across europe still use creatine and those that do not , use similar supplements.
It is not in any way morrally questionable to use creatine, it is an approved supplement.
Virtually every pro athlete in the world use one supplement or another.... so by yur logic every sportsperson in the world is doping... please... get real.
I have never questioned davids suspension..... yes he doped, we all know that.... it is factually unquestionable!!
he he.... you dont even know what the products you talk about do!!
Please do some research!
Do you even know what the current doping trial is about??
Do you know about proven links between past players and LGD??
do you know anything about , epo, nesp, etc etc ?
iron levels, use of diuretics, haematocrit leves etc etc???
What can you tell me about zemans papers??
or ferrari??
or our favourite turin magistrate???
How the hell can you make such statements without coming close to knowing about the subject in hand??
Im sorry thats rubbish, as i said earlier every sports person uses supplements, vitamin drips , iron pills etc
Many use hypobaric chambers
These are not doping ... and if they are then every single pro athlete must be banned right now.... please dont be so blind....
Answer me a question,
Do you ever down a bottle of lucozade or similar during a sports activity???
These drinks are proven to aid recovery.....
From your logic then players that take boosting drinks must be doping as well...
and you yourself are doping when you drink and play sports with your friends.
anyway, your opinion is interesting and though very flawed it is nice to see someone with a little moral character even if imo very misguided
Yes it is a subject i am very intrested in and have followed sports doping in great detail for the last 5 or so years, including having several articles on the subject published.... but holy it definately isnt.
I have no problem whatsoever with discusions about doping it is your misuse of the facts and ill informed ramblings that i object to.
All im saying is stick to the facts!!
Creatine is not and never has been doping.
Creatine has been submitted to testing by every major sports governing body and barring 2 has been deemed perfectly legal.
Whether you agree with the use of supplements or not is not an issue.... Creatine IS NOT DOPING.
Many clubs across europe still use creatine and those that do not , use similar supplements.
It is not in any way morrally questionable to use creatine, it is an approved supplement.
Virtually every pro athlete in the world use one supplement or another.... so by yur logic every sportsperson in the world is doping... please... get real.
I have never questioned davids suspension..... yes he doped, we all know that.... it is factually unquestionable!!
he he.... you dont even know what the products you talk about do!!
Please do some research!
Do you even know what the current doping trial is about??
Do you know about proven links between past players and LGD??
do you know anything about , epo, nesp, etc etc ?
iron levels, use of diuretics, haematocrit leves etc etc???
What can you tell me about zemans papers??
or ferrari??
or our favourite turin magistrate???
How the hell can you make such statements without coming close to knowing about the subject in hand??
Im sorry thats rubbish, as i said earlier every sports person uses supplements, vitamin drips , iron pills etc
Many use hypobaric chambers
These are not doping ... and if they are then every single pro athlete must be banned right now.... please dont be so blind....
Answer me a question,
Do you ever down a bottle of lucozade or similar during a sports activity???
These drinks are proven to aid recovery.....
From your logic then players that take boosting drinks must be doping as well...
and you yourself are doping when you drink and play sports with your friends.
anyway, your opinion is interesting and though very flawed it is nice to see someone with a little moral character even if imo very misguided
Ok,I must take back my words.I didn't know creatine was so innocent substant.We'll see again you should always confirm the info you heard from others.
"he he.... you dont even know what the products you talk about do!!
Please do some research!
Do you even know what the current doping trial is about??
Do you know about proven links between past players and LGD??
do you know anything about , epo, nesp, etc etc ?
iron levels, use of diuretics, haematocrit leves etc etc???
What can you tell me about zemans papers??
or ferrari??
or our favourite turin magistrate???"
As I said I actually didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm not interested at all of this legal business,sports side is the one I'm interested about.I can see you are very interested and you have lots of knowledge concerning this issue so I understand your reaction to some ignorent fool like me.
I'm just "concerned" about moral these days.Well,now i sound like a holy man which I totally aren't for god's sake (I mean not for god's sake that way...i mean...ahh forget about it
)
In my other post I explained my point of view to this.But the whole point of this conversation was lost to me because the misinformation which was totally my fault.I apologize.
"he he.... you dont even know what the products you talk about do!!
Please do some research!
Do you even know what the current doping trial is about??
Do you know about proven links between past players and LGD??
do you know anything about , epo, nesp, etc etc ?
iron levels, use of diuretics, haematocrit leves etc etc???
What can you tell me about zemans papers??
or ferrari??
or our favourite turin magistrate???"
As I said I actually didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm not interested at all of this legal business,sports side is the one I'm interested about.I can see you are very interested and you have lots of knowledge concerning this issue so I understand your reaction to some ignorent fool like me.
I'm just "concerned" about moral these days.Well,now i sound like a holy man which I totally aren't for god's sake (I mean not for god's sake that way...i mean...ahh forget about it
) In my other post I explained my point of view to this.But the whole point of this conversation was lost to me because the misinformation which was totally my fault.I apologize.