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gray

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++ [ originally posted by ZhiXin ] ++
But somehow I think we meet Bayern again.
Even though we made easy work of them in the group stages, one thing I fear is that we somehow won't perform as well as we did in our 1-0 victories. I'm not saying I doubt our team, but football's just been like that so many times
 

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Erkka

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No it shows nothing more than your an idiot.

Ultra scene? An ultra is just a hooligan like any other. There is nothing cool about it dickhead. Besides what the hell would a guy from finland know about Juve ultras anyway? What makes you the expert? Have you ever even been to an Italian match?

Ive seen MU play juve quite a few times, Ive seen Arsenal play Italian teams so yeah I think I have a fair idea what your ultras are. They are idiots who take this to seriously, they look like complete jerks singing their songs and shouting abuse at english fans, many women with children.

Fvcking cool alright, wish I was an ultra :howler:

We have them to btw, we just call them scallies. But even they have class compared to an Italian ultra. And I didnt even know they threw piss at each other in italy!!!

But since your gloating, Juve ultras having revenge? I think we all know its a regretable action to start trouble with a group of drunken english guys.
Yeah, that's very smart... Of course all ultras are just hooligans, just like those drunken english men with their tattoos... Ummm, NOT!! That just shows your ignorance about them.

And what makes me an expert?! No, I'm not an expert of ultra scene, but I can say that I know more about them than you do.
 
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++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


Yeah, that's very smart... Of course all ultras are just hooligans, just like those drunken english men with their tattoos... Ummm, NOT!! That just shows your ignorance about them.

And what makes me an expert?! No, I'm not an expert of ultra scene, but I can say that I know more about them than you do.
Want to answer the questions?

Have you ever been to an italian match? Have you ever seen an ultra?

Or are you talking about what you read of here?
http://members.tripod.com/bianconeri/fans.html

My ignorance? Maybe. All I can go on is what Ive seen and what ive seen is what ive described.

Idiot.
 

Erkka

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#24
++ [ originally posted by Negative Creep ] ++


Want to answer the questions?

Have you ever been to an italian match? Have you ever seen an ultra?

Or are you talking about what you read of here?
http://members.tripod.com/bianconeri/fans.html

My ignorance? Maybe. All I can go on is what Ive seen and what ive seen is what ive described.

Idiot.
Nope, I've never been to an Italian match, but I've seen ultras. And most importantly I know a guy who is very close to Juve's ultras. And that Paparezzo's site is decent but that guy has never been in curva himself. You think that ultras are just hooligans, you don't get that they're all about this:



 
Mar 7, 2005
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No I know they are about that also. But hooligans none the less.

You might think its cool to insult and threaten other human beings over football, you might think its cool to come to someones country and not respect their people, I dont.

Of course I know there are as many english that are the same. I hate them also.
 

Erkka

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++ [ originally posted by Negative Creep ] ++
No I know they are about that also. But hooligans none the less.

You might think its cool to insult and threaten other human beings over football, you might think its cool to come to someones country and not respect their people, I dont.

Of course I know there are as many english that are the same. I hate them also.
:wallbang: Of course some of them are violent, but it would be really stupid to claim that all of them are hooligans, because it certainly isn't the case. The work of ultras is very well organized and they might fight with rival ultras sometimes, but 'in the scene' it's always a tragedy when someone dies or or gets his fingers slashed of.
 

Orgut

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#27
Just not Chelsea
My most preffered clubs to face: 1 Porto if the go past Inter which is unlikely 2 PSV 3 Liverpool
 

arc

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#28
++ [ originally posted by archaon ] ++

liverpool next round
first leg away 1-1
second leg home 3-1 :D

semi final - chelsea
first leg home 0-0
second leg away 1-1 :D

final - milan
0-0 ET pk 4-3 to JUVENTUS
 

arc

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#29
++ [ originally posted by Negative Creep ] ++
No I know they are about that also. But hooligans none the less.

You might think its cool to insult and threaten other human beings over football, you might think its cool to come to someones country and not respect their people, I dont.

Of course I know there are as many english that are the same. I hate them also.
if we really get liverpool in q final, i wanna go and watch juventus live in the stadium, but can u imagine a chinese in juve jersey alone in anfield after juventus winning 2-0


MAN I WILL BE BEATEN TO DEATH
 
Mar 7, 2005
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#30
++ [ originally posted by archaon ] ++


if we really get liverpool in q final, i wanna go and watch juventus live in the stadium, but can u imagine a chinese in juve jersey alone in anfield after juventus winning 2-0


MAN I WILL BE BEATEN TO DEATH
I'll be going aswell. Wanna meet for a hotdog? :D
 

Eire

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Mar 1, 2004
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#31
iam worried about the number of players close to suspension i know cana and thuram are one away, what about emerson and zambo?

i hope we get psv, monaco were better than them but could not defend their corners.

if we could build up a nice first leg advantage, then maybe a few of them might convieniently pick up a card to miss the second leg where we should hold out then we will have a full strenght squad at our disposals for the semi

i hope we advoid other italian teams and chelsea

prefer 1 psv 2 liverpool 3 lyon or if porto somehow get through
 

Eire

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Mar 1, 2004
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#33
yeah the way the draw will be done the winners of each quater final know who they will play in the semi

it would be great to get psv then face the winners of liverpool and lyon or something and leave the big guns milan and chelsea eliminate each other and let us play bayern in the final
 

arc

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#34
++ [ originally posted by Eire ] ++
yeah the way the draw will be done the winners of each quater final know who they will play in the semi

it would be great to get psv then face the winners of liverpool and lyon or something and leave the big guns milan and chelsea eliminate each other and let us play bayern in the final
i think differently on this actually, i want my team to win the champion playing both chelsea and milan, after watching the match last night, im confident we can do it, i rather losing the champion than winning it and ppl say we dont deserve it (having chelsea playing all the good teams, barcelona, milan etc before the final then play us in the final with several injury and suspension)

sorrie for my limited english, i hope u understand wht am i saying
 

JCK

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A friend of mine has posted a thread on another forum, I would like to post it here and I would like to hear some feedback from you.

Just for fun and to stir up some more controversy i have made 'style' assessment ratings for the Quarter-Finalists based on technical, controlled, attacking football and the attitude and behaviour of coach, club and supporters. Do you agree with the following?

AC Milan: Without a shadow of a doubt the strongest squad in the tournament. They have an ummovable starting XI minus some defensive issues. Based around a strong defensive basis they employ only 2 Italian midfielders, Pirlo, a silky playmakers played ahead of the defence. The other is a soldier first, hacker second and then lastly a technician. They have further technical and creative skills through a continuity player and then a playmaker; Kaka. The Brazilian is about balance and goals more than mazely dribbles however. They play with two out-and-out attacking strikers. In reserve they have two further playmakers, outright width in Serginho and a second striker in Tommason and an absolute goal-smasher in Fillipo Inzaghi. All-in-all pretty strong. Performances so far have not been attacking. Despite playing football the 'correct' way they still have an Italian backbone and the likelihood of Italian team clashes in the knockout stages will impair the rating for me. I mean Juve-Milan or Inter-Milan is hardly going to be the most exciting contest is it?
Style rating: 8/10

Bayern Munich: this is going to surprise some people but Bayern are no longer a defensive team. Felix Magath has turned the team into a side that can once again compete for this competition. They play again with 2 out-and-out forwards, with Makaay who can work the wings well. Even more appealing is that they use Michael Ballack in a holding position allowing them to accompany Deisler, Frings, Scholl and the young German i shall not attempt to spell.
Style rating: 9/10

Chelsea: where do we start? we know so much already about Mourinho's style. But why are they are so much more anti-football than other teams. Well i'll explain. Firstly, let's look at the strongest point of the team: the defence. They are good but in no ways better or more effective then Juve, Milan, Bayern or even Lyon in that aspect. where they differ is that their back four accompanies no attacking players. Full-backs are reserved for defensive players. Gallas for instance is hardly the most dynamic attacker. This is defence first mentality. All other sides in competition have full-backs who's job is to provide the width, Chelsea's comes from the attacking forwards. Next up is a triple-pivot in midfield. With arguably the best conservative midfield player in Makelele why do you need to surround him with Tiago and Lampard. The latter could be described as a similar player as Ballack, yet he does not play a holding position but is deemed an attacker in this system. On too the attackers, Chelsea is the only team that does not have at least one outstanding striker as i do not see Drogba as one. Damien Duff does most of his running off the ball. Robben is an asset and adds everything Duff can't mainly pace and a jack-hammer of a shot and finishing ability. With Chelsea it is clealy a sum-of-the parts. Which then leads me to the biggest contradiction but backup to my argument: Joe Cole. Undoubtedly my favourite English player. Yet his development at Chelsea is insignificant. He is asked to play in a way that so many English players play. I heard so many favourable comments about his performance against Barcelona. I was not impressed as he played like any other Gerrard/Beckham/Lampard clone. Rarely did i see the technical qualities that makes him superior to those players. Oh how i would love to see him play in the #10 role alongside Robben and Duff supporting a lone striker. Mourinho is not with me and instead Joe Cole will be a victim of the inefficiency and 'don't care' policy of Ambramovich.
Style rating: 6/10

Inter Milan: Very quickly i don't like them. They lack midfield creativity. Veron is one of many players in Europe - just an overrated passer. Emre the only real creative talent is mainly left on the sidelines. The attacking power is mainly through the stikers of Adriano and Martins and this usually hides a midfield weakness. Still the option upfront and Mancini's belief in attacking football gets them an OK rating in my eyes.
Style rating: 6/10

Liverpool: with a team devoid of quality it is hard to say. On Rafa Benitez previous teams it is clear his side plays innovate passing football built on a strong foundation. But with Xabi Alonso missing this is not happening at Liverpool. They are missing serious quality. But any team that think Gerrard is an outstanding playmaker is sadly deluded. His game is about passion and a high-tempo. He is a poor-mans Frank Lampard and i hope Chelsea do not sign him as he adds nothing. Their defence is shocking too, i expect an imminent exit. For implementing players such as Milan Baros and Luis Garcia i will give them an OK rating.
Style rating: 6/10

Lyon: an outstanding and underrated team by all accounts. People must realise that this is a team now without Dhorasoo, Lyuindula and Elber from last year. Lyon is a fine example of how you can implement cautious but innovative football at the same time. Strong resilient defence, with an abundance of attacking options in midfield. The veteran Brazilain Juninho a major force, but with support from Essien, Malouda and Govou. Their weakness lies upfront with a lack of a formidable striker. This will be their main priority in the summer. They have the young Brazilian Nilmar who will be fantastic but as of yet is a little lightweight. An excellent side my favourite of the tournament thus far.
Style rating: 8/10

Juventus: possibly the biggest name anti-football team of recent years. There is always a perception of how Juventus play the game and in many ways this still exist with Capello in charge. It was his decision to sign Emerson who despite his nationality is very much a solid player. Yesterday both Camoranesi and Zambrotta were excellent in the wide areas but they are both Italian (or at least one is!). Unlike Milan their Italian midfielders are used as creative aspects and the reality is Italy has struggled in this area for some time. Juventus are capable of creative, tactical and disciplined performances and Italian players still have finesse and technique but the reality is foreign help is needed in this area. So why have they been given a higher rating than Chelsea? Simple Capello has demonstrated his attacking intent of late. Playing with 3 stikers shows this. Trezeguet was on the bench and Mutu may be available at some stage. Also they have one of the finest midfield playmakers on his day in Pavel Nedved. I think Juventus and Capello will do what Bayern and Felix Magath has done. Once a trophy is secured this summer he will have the freedom to oversee the attacking revolution he wants. Who knows next year it will be Juventus achieving the highest rating?
Style rating: 7/10

PSV: the worst side left in. They play a typical dutch 4-3-3. The strongest point is the defence and organisation brought by the coach Guus Hiddink the man who coached S.Korea to Semis on WC2002. They have midfielders of the like of van Bommel, Vogel and Cocu. Upfront it gets better mainly through Peruvian Farfan. I think Wolverine, will agree that domestically both AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord play better attractive football. However, they have done well to get this far so i won't hold it against them too much I'm not a fan.
Style rating: 3/10
 
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