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zizinho

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Arsenal has never been one of the giants though. They are a big club, but not in the elite
Yep. Juve, Milan, inter, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, ManU, Pool are the top8, Ajax and Benfica too if you want to make it a top10 (though their leagues became irrelevant in the last decade or so, so their greatness decreased on an European level). Arsenal is in the top 20, but still bellow Porto, PSV, Marseille and even Feyenoord I'd say
 

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Yep. Juve, Milan, inter, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, ManU, Pool are the top8, Ajax and Benfica too if you want to make it a top10 (though their leagues became irrelevant in the last decade or so, so their greatness decreased on an European level). Arsenal is in the top 20, but still bellow Porto, PSV, Marseille and even Feyenoord I'd say
inDa? REALLY?
 

BayernFan

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Yep. Juve, Milan, inter, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, ManU, Pool are the top8, Ajax and Benfica too if you want to make it a top10 (though their leagues became irrelevant in the last decade or so, so their greatness decreased on an European level). Arsenal is in the top 20, but still bellow Porto, PSV, Marseille and even Feyenoord I'd say
To me Dortmund is also bigger than Arsenal. They won trophies international and have been to one more final in CL. Not like Dortmund deserves to be among the elites, far from. But they are bigger than Arsenal.
 
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Yep. Juve, Milan, inter, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, ManU, Pool are the top8, Ajax and Benfica too if you want to make it a top10 (though their leagues became irrelevant in the last decade or so, so their greatness decreased on an European level). Arsenal is in the top 20, but still bellow Porto, PSV, Marseille and even Feyenoord I'd say
Pretty much.......
 

BayernFan

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Where should Liverpool be placed? Havent won a single league title for nearly 28 years and counting.

Their history is great, but to me they are no longer among the giants. A step or two below would fit them better.
 
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