Praising the Lord! (20 Viewers)

Dan

Back & Quack
Mar 9, 2004
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#64
++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
I am. Very as a matter of fact. At least our kids (when they come) won't be under a bad influence :D
Either that or if they are totally isolated from it they could go nuts when they have the chance.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,145
#67
++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


well I'm not sure about the wording but you definitely insinuated such an opinion in the thread about pope Jean Paul II's death.
:howler: Riiight. After you insulted me for actually starting the thread.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,145
#68
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Religion is stopping the world moving forward.

Its an out-dated practice that was useful in the past, but which is past it sell-by date. Sooner the world realises this, the better.
That is the dumbest and most intolerant thing I have ever heard.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
#70
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


That is the dumbest and most intolerant thing I have ever heard.
I don't know, I think it is true to a certain point. If you think about it, there are mostly only older people going to Christian churches in the US. It is really going downhill, in all countries but the Islamic countries.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,778
#71
I'm not so sure. Scary exurbs like Bakersfield, CA and the many greedy developer atrocities in Texas are loaded with young families going all out for the franchise Christianity churches that seem like little more than Starbucks selling Salvation Frappucinos.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
#72
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
I'm not so sure. Scary exurbs like Bakersfield, CA and the many greedy developer atrocities in Texas are loaded with young families going all out for the franchise Christianity churches that seem like little more than Starbucks selling Salvation Frappucinos.
Yea, but those are isolated communities.
 

gray

Senior Member
Moderator
Apr 22, 2003
30,260
#73
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
I think one of the great modern tragedies of our time is that spiritual beliefs and modernity are considered incompatible, when in reality that's complete horse*&$#%.

The core problem is that the visible thought leaders of any religious influence today are entirely of an anti-progressionist bias, so what we end up with are terrorists steeped in a mutant Islamic fundamentalism, anti-science fundamentalist Christians steering the religious agenda, etc. And at the same time, the only people left as visible advocates for science and modern, rational thought are positioned as anti-religious agnostics or atheists. There are people on both sides of the spectrum who like it this way, however.

It almost seems as if there is no rational place for a person of any kind of faith to have beliefs consistent with modern society, science, and progressive thinking, which is completely bogus. I hate a society that has to roll back the centuries in order to feel life has a spiritual meaning. And I hate a society that is convinced that progressive thought can only come about in a spiritually bankrupt world.

I don't know what's going to change it, but I cannot see this condition sustaining for very long.
Top post as usual; thank you Greg.

I don't have much time to spend on these forums (in fact I'm writing this during a lecture on my laptop using the uni's wireless internet) so I can't really ramble on about religious issues like I used to...

This is a bit of a tangent, but let me briefly introduce you to a psychological principle I learned about called the "availability heuristic", which basically states that people tend to form judgments based on what's immediately in front of/available to them.

For example, from the following pairs, choose the one you think causes more deaths in the US each year.

Lung Cancer vs Motor Vehicle Accidents
Emphysema vs Homicide
Tuberculosis vs Fire and Flames

Now look at the following stats:
Code:
[b]Cause           People's Choice     Annual US Totals     Newspaper reports / year[/b]
Lung Cancer          43%                   140,000                 3
Car Accidents        57%                   46,000                  127
Emphysema            45%                   22,000                  1
Homicide             55%                   19,000                  264
Tuberculosis         23%                   4,000                   0
Fire and Flames      77%                   7,000                   24
Where the hell are you going with this, Graham?!
What I'm trying to show is that people tend to overestimate the significance or prevalence of certain things/events depending on the amount of exposure they receive on a day-to-day basis

You still haven't gotten to the $@%ng point
Okay, here's what I'm saying...

You hear reports of Catholic priests molesting young children; you see Christian fundamentalists bashing people over the head with their Bibles; you hear about people killing innocent civilians in the name of their religions... but ask yourself for a moment... what percentage of religious people in the world do these people make up?

You never read newspaper articles about Christians (for example, since I'm a Christian myself) feeding and clothing the poor and caring for orphans, or even those who practise their faith without trying to impose their beliefs/lifestyle on others. But the reality is that a huge majority of Christians (or religious people in general) aren't in the same group as the child molesters/terrorists etc.

All I'm saying is that maybe people shouldn't make generalisations based on the handful of people who completely misrepresent the religions they claim to practise.

"Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ." - Ephesians 4:15

Just so you know, bashing people over the head with your Bible isn't a part of the Christian doctrine.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,778
#74
++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


Yea, but those are isolated communities.
Isolated? Yes. That's because they're built up by developers who are trying to financially appeal to cash-poor, supercommuting young families who cannot afford a large-sized dream home in a previously populated area.

But these communities are the very kind that are showing the greatest population growths across the country. Essentially, these are the places that will weigh heavier and heavier in future voting blocks, etc. They are, to some degree, the face of the future of the country.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,778
#76
Er... how so, Z? Am I mixing my messages here?

The one that Graham cites (and definitely familiar with the "availability heuristic" -- well done) is about there being a lack of legitimate voices or leaders who prove that religious belief and modernity are not mutually exclusive. The other is about the proliferation of "churches of convenience" in the growing areas of youth in America. (And for the record, many of these churches are not at all known for their support for the sciences and "concepts" such as evolution.)
 

gray

Senior Member
Moderator
Apr 22, 2003
30,260
#77
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Yeah Graham, you pretending to argue with yourself pissed all over your otherwise decent post TBH :D ;)
Hey, I'm just being realistic about people's reactions to my posts when I go on about this topic :)
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,778
#78
Ha! Caught your historical revisionism in edit, Z. ;)

I got it now, though -- you were directing it to Graham.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
23,049
#79
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
Ha! Caught your historical revisionism in edit, Z. ;)

I got it now, though -- you were directing it to Graham.

Yeah, sorry Greg, you I didnt see your post when I started writing mine ;)


Anyways, I cant think about this now, it's almost 4 am and I'm off to sleep. Good night. :sleepy:


P.S. Check your PM's from time to time Graham, I cant even critisize you properly until you do ;)
 

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