I wanted a more balanced competition, another balanced competition for lesser quality teams and why not a third one? My point was that the way UEFA are going is definitely going to make even a bigger gap.
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I don't really have anything against commercialisation per se. If anything else, good financial performance tend to go hand in hand with the product they are showing on the pitch. It is by far the best indicative of how fans are enjoying the game. However, what do fear is the possibility that for the short-term financial inducement, they may be willing to harm the long term prospect of the game. I feel my proposal is by far from it, and on the contrary by introducing more diversity into the system, we may actually be better off in the long run.
I would just want to make a point in relation to Jeeks is trying to get at. In the Asian Champions League this year, some teams Thailand and Malaysia et al decided could not afford all the travelling costs (this means a lot if you barely make even each year and worse always in a negative bank statement) and forfitted a place to Tokyo Verdy who incidentally got relegated last year. There must be something wrong if team cannot even contemplate competeting in a competition that it is in their "right" to do for the financial reasons. Of course, one may point out the general lack of living standards in Thai as the main cause - the problem then is that their PM wanted to buy Liverpool to "improve" the general state of the domestic game. If one is willing to pay hundreds millions for a team in Europe then you cant at the same time simultaneously argue that one cant afford some pultry sum for the domestic league.
This is an important point because the main malaise of the general decline of the leagues in Asia, apart from J-League, acutally lies in Europe. There is no way you can reasonably expect Asian team to compete with that of European counterpart. It is a typically case of rich getting richer at the expense of the poor. Its easy to say that Riga should earn they way to the CL by beating Milan but the matter of fact is it is far easier for Milan to generate extra revenue despite the same result and hence there is a tendency for favoring bigger teams in the current format.
The real problem of favoring the big teams, beside the diversity, is that this may degenerate the interests in the domestic league, which in turn may be detrimental towards producing the best talents on show. On what basis should we expect that the best nations will today produce better talents than the ones not so glamorous today? For every Dinamo Kiev that is painful to watch, they might produce Andriy Sheva and Sergei Rebrov. And even if I am making assumption here on how players are actually developed - I feel the natives are in best position to develop their own young stars. Player development is more than trying to gather best players together, let them play, and tell them to do exactly the same thing as in TV. They have to go through progressively harder level of competetion at each stage, and this requires competition. It is hard to foster any meaningful competition when the more financially powerful team takes away any decent player that is on show. Taking away one additional spot from England, Spain, or Italia, won't do much harm to the national game of these countries whilst improving the prospects of other smaller leagues infinite times. One may say Cameroon didnt deserve to play in WC because they would not have qualified for the competition proper in Europe. But something in me suggests that the great Roger Miller provided inspirations to many African players on show today.
Back to the world competition: I think the current state of European league is too powerful for its own sake. It is taking away the best talents in South America and at the same time it is taking away the viewers in Asia. I find this detrimental to the future player development in each respective nations. Moreover, I always wondered what it would be like if all the South Americans played under the South American coaches rather than more disciplinitarian European ones. My bet is that we will see a flow of game that make mock of Barcelona or Arsenal. Give them the access to financial resources, I am pretty sure Boca, River, Sao Paulo would be better than Fiorentina or Liverpool can ever dream to be. The scheduling may pose a problem but given the wide discrepancies in South America and Asia, or Africa I doubt one will witness a crazy scenario whereby teams play in Rio one week and Tokyo the other, and Cape Town to round it all off.
I don't really have anything against commercialisation per se. If anything else, good financial performance tend to go hand in hand with the product they are showing on the pitch. It is by far the best indicative of how fans are enjoying the game. However, what do fear is the possibility that for the short-term financial inducement, they may be willing to harm the long term prospect of the game. I feel my proposal is by far from it, and on the contrary by introducing more diversity into the system, we may actually be better off in the long run.
I would just want to make a point in relation to Jeeks is trying to get at. In the Asian Champions League this year, some teams Thailand and Malaysia et al decided could not afford all the travelling costs (this means a lot if you barely make even each year and worse always in a negative bank statement) and forfitted a place to Tokyo Verdy who incidentally got relegated last year. There must be something wrong if team cannot even contemplate competeting in a competition that it is in their "right" to do for the financial reasons. Of course, one may point out the general lack of living standards in Thai as the main cause - the problem then is that their PM wanted to buy Liverpool to "improve" the general state of the domestic game. If one is willing to pay hundreds millions for a team in Europe then you cant at the same time simultaneously argue that one cant afford some pultry sum for the domestic league.
This is an important point because the main malaise of the general decline of the leagues in Asia, apart from J-League, acutally lies in Europe. There is no way you can reasonably expect Asian team to compete with that of European counterpart. It is a typically case of rich getting richer at the expense of the poor. Its easy to say that Riga should earn they way to the CL by beating Milan but the matter of fact is it is far easier for Milan to generate extra revenue despite the same result and hence there is a tendency for favoring bigger teams in the current format.
The real problem of favoring the big teams, beside the diversity, is that this may degenerate the interests in the domestic league, which in turn may be detrimental towards producing the best talents on show. On what basis should we expect that the best nations will today produce better talents than the ones not so glamorous today? For every Dinamo Kiev that is painful to watch, they might produce Andriy Sheva and Sergei Rebrov. And even if I am making assumption here on how players are actually developed - I feel the natives are in best position to develop their own young stars. Player development is more than trying to gather best players together, let them play, and tell them to do exactly the same thing as in TV. They have to go through progressively harder level of competetion at each stage, and this requires competition. It is hard to foster any meaningful competition when the more financially powerful team takes away any decent player that is on show. Taking away one additional spot from England, Spain, or Italia, won't do much harm to the national game of these countries whilst improving the prospects of other smaller leagues infinite times. One may say Cameroon didnt deserve to play in WC because they would not have qualified for the competition proper in Europe. But something in me suggests that the great Roger Miller provided inspirations to many African players on show today.
Back to the world competition: I think the current state of European league is too powerful for its own sake. It is taking away the best talents in South America and at the same time it is taking away the viewers in Asia. I find this detrimental to the future player development in each respective nations. Moreover, I always wondered what it would be like if all the South Americans played under the South American coaches rather than more disciplinitarian European ones. My bet is that we will see a flow of game that make mock of Barcelona or Arsenal. Give them the access to financial resources, I am pretty sure Boca, River, Sao Paulo would be better than Fiorentina or Liverpool can ever dream to be. The scheduling may pose a problem but given the wide discrepancies in South America and Asia, or Africa I doubt one will witness a crazy scenario whereby teams play in Rio one week and Tokyo the other, and Cape Town to round it all off.
This has probably written plenty of times already but I can't bother reading through 10 pages.
This would be good to a certain extent. It would slightly lower the quality of CL football, but at the same time it would help smaller leagues in the long run to compete with bigger ones. Champions League is all about money, and if you never let teams like Haifa and Reykjavik take a piece of the cake then they'll stay small forever.
This would be good to a certain extent. It would slightly lower the quality of CL football, but at the same time it would help smaller leagues in the long run to compete with bigger ones. Champions League is all about money, and if you never let teams like Haifa and Reykjavik take a piece of the cake then they'll stay small forever.
Another thing I don't like about CL is the qualification process. Why some teams have automatic qualification? I don't like that, at the third qualification, there should be 32 matches, and all the winners should be the the CL finalists. this way the small teams would have fair chances too for qualification.
PARIS: French legend Michel Platini has vowed to limit English, Italian and Spanish representation in the Champions League to three clubs if he wins election as Uefa president next month.:ferocious
The former St Etienne and Juventus midfielder is challenging present Uefa chief Lennart Johansson for the powerful position with the election due on January 26.:dazed:
In a five-point programme outlining his policy priorities, Platini made the point that there were too many clubs from the European leagues taking part in the continent's premier tournament.:undecide:
Daily News
The former St Etienne and Juventus midfielder is challenging present Uefa chief Lennart Johansson for the powerful position with the election due on January 26.:dazed:
In a five-point programme outlining his policy priorities, Platini made the point that there were too many clubs from the European leagues taking part in the continent's premier tournament.:undecide:
Daily News
FRENCH soccer legend Michel Platini has vowed to limit English, Italian and Spanish representation in the Champions League to three clubs if he wins election as Uefa president next month.
The former St Etienne and Juventus midfielder is challenging present Uefa chief Lennart Johansson in an election due on January 26. Johansson has been in the job since 1990.:money:
In a five-point programme outlining his policy priorities, Platini said he felt there were too many clubs from the big European leagues in the continent’s premier tournament.
At present, four teams from England, Spain and Italy qualify for the Champions League with sides from smaller leagues having to battle through three qualifying rounds before reaching the group stages.
“I am in favour of setting a maximum of three clubs per country in order to allow more countries to be involved in the competition,” Platini said.
The proposal has already sparked opposition from 18 wealthy European sides, including Barcelona, AC Milan, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Lyon, who form the G14 lobby and have made clear their preference for Johansson.
Platini has also vowed to ease growing tensions between clubs and countries over the availability of players.
“Let’s battle back against all the ills that threaten our sport – racism, xenophobia, shady financial deals, illegal betting, unscrupulous agents and doping,”
he said. — Sapa-AFP
The Daily Dispatch
The former St Etienne and Juventus midfielder is challenging present Uefa chief Lennart Johansson in an election due on January 26. Johansson has been in the job since 1990.:money:
In a five-point programme outlining his policy priorities, Platini said he felt there were too many clubs from the big European leagues in the continent’s premier tournament.
At present, four teams from England, Spain and Italy qualify for the Champions League with sides from smaller leagues having to battle through three qualifying rounds before reaching the group stages.
“I am in favour of setting a maximum of three clubs per country in order to allow more countries to be involved in the competition,” Platini said.
The proposal has already sparked opposition from 18 wealthy European sides, including Barcelona, AC Milan, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Lyon, who form the G14 lobby and have made clear their preference for Johansson.
Platini has also vowed to ease growing tensions between clubs and countries over the availability of players.
“Let’s battle back against all the ills that threaten our sport – racism, xenophobia, shady financial deals, illegal betting, unscrupulous agents and doping,”
he said. — Sapa-AFP The Daily Dispatch
There are 4 problems that Platini should fix:
1. How teams like Man U and Arsenal are allowed steal players from other teams' youth acadamies I dont not know.
If Platini wants to fix football, he must start by promoting the development of players instead of having teams like Chelsea that are buying their way up.
2. Try to make the UEFA cup more important because nobody wants to watch Palermo's second team taking on some other weak team from god knows were. Even the weaker teams arent enjoying it. Why not drop the 4th place finishers from Italia, Spain and England to the Uefa cup instead of scrapping them completely. This will make both the UEFA cup and CL more interesting
3. FFS how did UEFA give Liverpool the chance to be in the competition after finishing 5th in the Priemiership :faq1: CL should be about being the best of the best, but when top teams have to compete on 3 fronts, while Liverpool are resting their players, its only fair that they are not allowed to enter into the Champions league if they're not good enough.
4. His hair is a big problem, I say shave it all off
1. How teams like Man U and Arsenal are allowed steal players from other teams' youth acadamies I dont not know.
If Platini wants to fix football, he must start by promoting the development of players instead of having teams like Chelsea that are buying their way up.2. Try to make the UEFA cup more important because nobody wants to watch Palermo's second team taking on some other weak team from god knows were. Even the weaker teams arent enjoying it. Why not drop the 4th place finishers from Italia, Spain and England to the Uefa cup instead of scrapping them completely. This will make both the UEFA cup and CL more interesting
3. FFS how did UEFA give Liverpool the chance to be in the competition after finishing 5th in the Priemiership :faq1: CL should be about being the best of the best, but when top teams have to compete on 3 fronts, while Liverpool are resting their players, its only fair that they are not allowed to enter into the Champions league if they're not good enough.
4. His hair is a big problem, I say shave it all off
1) Please bring back the cup winners cup , i am still not sure why it was abolished in the first place
2) Uefa cup should go back to its former format as its an absolute nonsense as it is right now, where it is totally dissed by teams who are at best average
3) I am in total support of taking away 1 team each from England , Italy and Spain because i just feel its a complete nonsense for teams like Liverpool and Arsenal to be rewarded for mediocrity by their standards by playing in cl the next season. How teams of that stature should be aspiring to at least come 4th is beyond me. They should go all out to win the league, that way individual championships will be better.
Noone foresaw what happened to juve but was it not a disgrace to Italian football that Chievo was allowed to represent it in Cl? Losing home and away to levtski sofia. Exactly what did Osasuna bring to honour Spain in Cl?
3 is more than enough, it not only improves competition in big leagues as lets face it, since the inception of the format of everyone and his dog qualifying for cl by placing 4th, all the major championships have been a major let down. Noone vehemently pursues the leaders anymore once they know by coming second they would pay cl football and be paid oodles of money.
Its okay for Palermo and sevilla to aspire to cl football but when teams like Milan, Liverpool and arsenal start making cl qualification by coming 3rd or 4th seem important then something aint right.
But in saying that what are you gonna do about teams from Greece, Holland, Portugal, Turkey, Russia as they have never really proved that they deserve to have up to 2 teams in the competition at one time
2) Uefa cup should go back to its former format as its an absolute nonsense as it is right now, where it is totally dissed by teams who are at best average
3) I am in total support of taking away 1 team each from England , Italy and Spain because i just feel its a complete nonsense for teams like Liverpool and Arsenal to be rewarded for mediocrity by their standards by playing in cl the next season. How teams of that stature should be aspiring to at least come 4th is beyond me. They should go all out to win the league, that way individual championships will be better.
Noone foresaw what happened to juve but was it not a disgrace to Italian football that Chievo was allowed to represent it in Cl? Losing home and away to levtski sofia. Exactly what did Osasuna bring to honour Spain in Cl?
3 is more than enough, it not only improves competition in big leagues as lets face it, since the inception of the format of everyone and his dog qualifying for cl by placing 4th, all the major championships have been a major let down. Noone vehemently pursues the leaders anymore once they know by coming second they would pay cl football and be paid oodles of money.
Its okay for Palermo and sevilla to aspire to cl football but when teams like Milan, Liverpool and arsenal start making cl qualification by coming 3rd or 4th seem important then something aint right.
But in saying that what are you gonna do about teams from Greece, Holland, Portugal, Turkey, Russia as they have never really proved that they deserve to have up to 2 teams in the competition at one time
I completely disagree. In England, they have recently had their most competitive title competitions in at least my memory - four teams start the season with some hope of winning the title, and even if Liverpool fans are deluding themselves, the champions have to work like dogs to earn their title. Just look at the points totals for the champions (and second place at that) for the past fifteen years - what would have won the title ten years ago is barely enough for fourth now. What's more, I can imagine Wenger, Ferguson or Mourinho eating their right arms before settling for second place.
As for the fourth place not being good enough, Liverpool finished fifth in England, and European Champions - should they be punished for not bowing and scraping in front of the champions of Italy, Spain, France, Germany or England? Hell no! I want high quality teams in the competition. What's more, the money teams who finish fourth in the big leagues get in Europe gives some little hope that the monopolies of the top clubs might be broken without the aid of a philanthropic billionaire or a convenient bankruptcy (or even a relegation for match fixing, heaven forbid). I wish Chievo had taken their chance, and made their money and bought a new right back, or a new training ground, or kept a star player they might otherwise have lost. I wish they built on their good fortune and spent this season kicking the Inters, Romas and Lazios of this world straight in the nuts with a push for the title. Instead, Empoli and Palermo are up there. Well, I'll take that too. And, if nothing else, I'll not begrudge the Chievo fans their moment of glory.
Maybe it suits some people to go back to a system where a tiny handful of big clubs are destined to win the competition unless you do away with any semblance of trying to find the best team by introducing the randomness that is a straight knock out, but I want a good competition. And damn it, but we have one.
As for the fourth place not being good enough, Liverpool finished fifth in England, and European Champions - should they be punished for not bowing and scraping in front of the champions of Italy, Spain, France, Germany or England? Hell no! I want high quality teams in the competition. What's more, the money teams who finish fourth in the big leagues get in Europe gives some little hope that the monopolies of the top clubs might be broken without the aid of a philanthropic billionaire or a convenient bankruptcy (or even a relegation for match fixing, heaven forbid). I wish Chievo had taken their chance, and made their money and bought a new right back, or a new training ground, or kept a star player they might otherwise have lost. I wish they built on their good fortune and spent this season kicking the Inters, Romas and Lazios of this world straight in the nuts with a push for the title. Instead, Empoli and Palermo are up there. Well, I'll take that too. And, if nothing else, I'll not begrudge the Chievo fans their moment of glory.
Maybe it suits some people to go back to a system where a tiny handful of big clubs are destined to win the competition unless you do away with any semblance of trying to find the best team by introducing the randomness that is a straight knock out, but I want a good competition. And damn it, but we have one.
Then you would have the champion of Lithuania playing Real Madrid. That would be interesting to watch huh. Does anyone remember that Porto-Monaco final? It was awful. I may sound very medieval, but there's a thing as nobility when it comes to European football. I don't want my party with Juventus, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Milan and Barcelona to be disrupted by those cheeky bastards of Levski Sofia 
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.That is the case only because Chelsea are playing with just 1 true central defender and have lost their main keeper and backup for most part of the season. Liverpool and Arsenal are still more than 10 points behind Man united so how is that competitive? Arsenal celebrated last season for not winning any single trophy but coming 4th. Now people have poured scorn on letting teams from so called lesser countries compete but the likes of man united and cheslea have gone to denmark and lost to fc copenhagen, chelsea have lost to real betis. Arsenal have lost to spartak moscow. Cup competitions is all about shock results but you will hardly find that in cl format. Real Betis, Osasuna, Chiveo have gotten into Cl and suffered the consequences later but I cannot see how it would have harmed a team from say russia to be in cl and let their domestic form suffer
Hands up those who enjoyed the real madrid vs valencia final or the juve vs milan, milan vs inter encounters. In this format you will keep getting situations whereby werder bremen falling by the wayside cos the seedings deemed them not good enough to be seeded 1 or 2
Hands up those who enjoyed the real madrid vs valencia final or the juve vs milan, milan vs inter encounters. In this format you will keep getting situations whereby werder bremen falling by the wayside cos the seedings deemed them not good enough to be seeded 1 or 2