I'm not supporting her and I never said she shouldn't have been banned. I just draw the line at personal posts and person judgement based on posts on an internet board.
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Everyone. Who are we to say that kind of thing about someone. Online isn't real and whatever her agenda here, is nothing on her as a person. Nothing at all.
Her actions haven't been as bad as you are making out. She said she wanted to kill a cop, she argued with some people she didnt like and she was banned, she returned she argued some more and she was banned etc. To say she plans that and that was her reason for being her is fundamentally wrong considering she originally came and posted as a normal/above normal member to the knowledge of Andy and did it for a very long time without problem. I don't know why she banned first time, but I hear it wasn't right.
On the other hand Burke has been a bigot and a racist. He has posted pornography and degraded Claire herself over peronal issues and Emma over sexual issues. He posted a picture of his testical. He has never posted anything good ontopic, nothing that any half assed football fan couldnt post. Sometimes I feel he only posts on topic to pass himself.
Yet on the very day Claire is banned his account is reinstated and we spend our evening cursing Claire. A member who has given more than Burke and who hasn't did have the shit he has.
Big deal if i'm siding for her, am biased or whatever else. It's just not right so I'll say so.
Her actions haven't been as bad as you are making out. She said she wanted to kill a cop, she argued with some people she didnt like and she was banned, she returned she argued some more and she was banned etc. To say she plans that and that was her reason for being her is fundamentally wrong considering she originally came and posted as a normal/above normal member to the knowledge of Andy and did it for a very long time without problem. I don't know why she banned first time, but I hear it wasn't right.
On the other hand Burke has been a bigot and a racist. He has posted pornography and degraded Claire herself over peronal issues and Emma over sexual issues. He posted a picture of his testical. He has never posted anything good ontopic, nothing that any half assed football fan couldnt post. Sometimes I feel he only posts on topic to pass himself.
Yet on the very day Claire is banned his account is reinstated and we spend our evening cursing Claire. A member who has given more than Burke and who hasn't did have the shit he has.
Big deal if i'm siding for her, am biased or whatever else. It's just not right so I'll say so.
So far, Burke seems to have calmed down a lot though. Did you see his post in my thread? 
And yes, I saw the testicle too.
PS- arguments develop from differences in opinion, usually started off by polite disagreement and then spiralling downward into shit-slinging.
I didnt see that in the mikhail case where fecal matter got banned. Did you? Look at it and tell me what you think.
ps- I find you a very logical and reasonable person to talk to. Respect.
And yes, I saw the testicle too.
PS- arguments develop from differences in opinion, usually started off by polite disagreement and then spiralling downward into shit-slinging.
I didnt see that in the mikhail case where fecal matter got banned. Did you? Look at it and tell me what you think.
ps- I find you a very logical and reasonable person to talk to. Respect.
Hey Paul. Just that most people here don't seem to understand why a person would seem like they're having such a terrible time here with others, get banned multiple times, etc., and yet keep coming back for more. Point is that some people have motivations, incentives, and disincentives that might not conform to the 'norm' (if there ever was such a thing) -- so you cannot presume those work for everyone.
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So far, Burke seems to have calmed down a lot though. Did you see his post in my thread?
And yes, I saw the testicle too.
PS- arguments develop from differences in opinion, usually started off by polite disagreement and then spiralling downward into shit-slinging.
I didnt see that in the mikhail case where fecal matter got banned. Did you? Look at it and tell me what you think.
ps- I find you a very logical and reasonable person to talk to. Respect.
So far, Burke seems to have calmed down a lot though. Did you see his post in my thread?
And yes, I saw the testicle too.
PS- arguments develop from differences in opinion, usually started off by polite disagreement and then spiralling downward into shit-slinging.
I didnt see that in the mikhail case where fecal matter got banned. Did you? Look at it and tell me what you think.
ps- I find you a very logical and reasonable person to talk to. Respect.
FYI it was something to do with how he closes threads.
As for Burke. Whatever, was the same last time. He came back, he apologised, he was nice to everyone and two months later Emma broke him again.
Claire insults and shouts sometimes when people take it too far with her. Burke loses it very easily posts his testicals, posts coffins, posts racial insults etc. Yet on the very day Claire is banned over a little argument with Mikhail we reinstate Burke.
Most of the problem I think is people mix Emma up with Claire. And by that I mean they take everything Emma does and dump it on Claire. It's easy to do, one is a blonde haired blue eyed, funny and classy girl. The other is a drug user, a 'goth' and a general bastard. Emma is the one who is manipulating the forum and laughing her ass off though imo. Claire is just a chick with some angst. A girl who can post more about football than half of us.
Now she is far from innocent indeed, should she have been banned from Juventuz? Yes. Many times. I'm not asking for her return, nor do I want it nor do I think she should come back herself.
I miss her posting though because sometimes it's good for the egos to get what's theirs. Claire went for the incubos and burkes. Nicole is gunning for the Juve_The_Bests and Ginos. I see no difference except the bigger they are the bigger the mess.
Should Burke have been reinstated the next day? Should we personally judge Claire? Should Mikhail ban someone who opposes him? Well that's your own opinion.
Though I'll stop posting on this now, as per request.
And cheers.
The idea that someone gets banned time after time and keeps coming back i understand perfectly... the idea that a member has an argument announces their departure and then returns later... i understand...
The constant... i want to be banned, i dont want to come back, i hate this place... and yet allways returning i dont really get
The constant... i want to be banned, i dont want to come back, i hate this place... and yet allways returning i dont really get
Agreed about the consistency of rules. The issue that isn't as cut and dried to me is the sense of a unilateral means of enforcing them. While good in theory, there are many exceptions that may need consideration for different handling based on the offender -- because disincentives, etc., may not have the same effect from one person to another.
For example, this is why children, the criminally insane, and the mentally retarded may not get the same correctional sentencing as what might be otherwise considered for a "rational adult". And it's why the recidivism in something like sexual offenders has lead many criminal systems to resort to rules of neighborhood notifications and mandatory check-ins, even after the sentence is served, when this is not the case for most other types of offenders.
Of course, a ban is a ban -- there's no fudging around that kind of "sentencing". But you must admit there are many ways around a ban.
I'm not saying that I have all the answers by any means here. Just trying to highlight some considerations for them.
For example, this is why children, the criminally insane, and the mentally retarded may not get the same correctional sentencing as what might be otherwise considered for a "rational adult". And it's why the recidivism in something like sexual offenders has lead many criminal systems to resort to rules of neighborhood notifications and mandatory check-ins, even after the sentence is served, when this is not the case for most other types of offenders.
Of course, a ban is a ban -- there's no fudging around that kind of "sentencing". But you must admit there are many ways around a ban.
I'm not saying that I have all the answers by any means here. Just trying to highlight some considerations for them.
how about reading what i wrote before commenting... is it so hard
btw : The only time i ve ever said im leaving this forum , ive been gone for several months (and only then returning on the request of others)... Yes ive said im gone refering to walking from an argument or thread (who hasnt)... not from the forum itself
As i said in the post you clearly didnt read... the idea of a reaction to leave after an argument etc and then to return later is understandable... its normal and most members have either done it (with or without mentioning it) or considered it....
The constant need to get yourself banned, say you hate the place, say you dont want to come back, say your glad you were banned... aand then come back... i do not get... that is not normal...
And those are not the same things in any way ,shape or form
btw : The only time i ve ever said im leaving this forum , ive been gone for several months (and only then returning on the request of others)... Yes ive said im gone refering to walking from an argument or thread (who hasnt)... not from the forum itself
As i said in the post you clearly didnt read... the idea of a reaction to leave after an argument etc and then to return later is understandable... its normal and most members have either done it (with or without mentioning it) or considered it....
The constant need to get yourself banned, say you hate the place, say you dont want to come back, say your glad you were banned... aand then come back... i do not get... that is not normal...
And those are not the same things in any way ,shape or form
Dont mean to butt in, but the complicating factor there was that the Mods themselves were involved in the community and had a personal bias, either for or against the petty arguments, social circles, etc.
em411.com has moderators who are invisible and unidentifiable. they also dont take part in the community. its magical. :cheesy:
em411.com has moderators who are invisible and unidentifiable. they also dont take part in the community. its magical. :cheesy:
Thats a hard thing to get away from... But the maturity and ability to seperate your own feelings for the rules should imo be a major factor in picking your mod team
That is prob the perfect answer... but i doubt many would like to mod a forum they have no association with... plus overtime from reading they would grow preferences to some members anyway
That is prob the perfect answer... but i doubt many would like to mod a forum they have no association with... plus overtime from reading they would grow preferences to some members anyway
Agreed 100%
It would be good to encourage mods to develop objectivity in these matters. In fact, Im beginning to wonder myself whether Im biased toward this Burke issue.
Maybe it was M2 who decided to have a sweeping amnesty, permitting Burke's entry after which Fecal Matter managed to get herself banned.
It would be good to encourage mods to develop objectivity in these matters. In fact, Im beginning to wonder myself whether Im biased toward this Burke issue.
Maybe it was M2 who decided to have a sweeping amnesty, permitting Burke's entry after which Fecal Matter managed to get herself banned.
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