Petition to Borrelli for an equal verdict (Borrelli Answered!) (4 Viewers)

[AlexTheGreat]

:wth: I have no idea...
Could you please tell me their signature number?

And keep on checking the Chinese signatures on J1897, you're the only person that can really do it. Thanks

4840 Yue Chen, 15/04/1985 should be Yue Chen, Suzhou, China, 15/04/1985

4754 Them Tao, Shandong, China, 06/12/1983 should be Li Tao, Shandong, China, 06/12/1983

I believe no only me keep on checking the list.

I have to keep my word that their names will be presented there to show how strong we are.

 

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[isha00]

I believe no only me keep on checking the list.

Yeah, I meant you as a chinese speaker and the ones that know the language like you :wink: I'm checking too (as are other guys on j1897), but, you know, it's a bit complicated for us not knowing how the names and cities should be written

 

[isha00]

Guys, do you know any Juventus/Del Piero/Zlatan/Buffon/etc forums where you could post the letter and collect signatures or, at least, that you could indicate me?

(Other than the ones Alexthegreat is working on, we've already got Juventusmania and Juvepoland covered)

 

[AlexTheGreat]

it's a bit complicated for us not knowing how the names and cities should be written

I can understand that. You have to know Chinese is the most complicate language to be handled.

btw, how was the tv program going you mentioned last time? I do want to know how will Borrelli react when he read this letter.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

I plan to move house this weekend that may lead to my absence for a while in this forum coz I have to find a new ISP for new place. it spent a whole month for them to setup this line for me last time.(cant bear the working efficiency of British) anyway, I will ask someone else to keep on collecting signatures from China.

 

[isha00]

Thanks

 

[bianconero]

Yeah, this is the reason why these online petitions are almost without value.

A petitions only function is to make the one who signs it feel better (you feel better don't you?) in themselves: no petition has ever so much as a ripple in the ocean.

Now if you can be there when the gathering happens and people take to the streets then you will see the power of the masses, but if all that is said does prove to be true, what can we do but take the punishment like civilised beings: Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and start all over again.

 

[fish260]

from chinese forums :

www.juvefans.net

Zhenhua an ,nanjing ,china ,13/03/1986
bin zhao ,xi'an ,china ,19/09/1989
jiusi liu ,beijing ,china ,16/04/1975




www.forum.sports.sina.com.cn/

Zeng Jian,LeShan,China ,13/12/1984
jun wang ,zunyin ,china 17/07/1983
leng dong ,beiing ,china 03/02/1982
hui hui ,ji'nan ,china 01/11/1983



www.juve.sportscn.com/

ZHONGLE QU ,SINGAPORE,SINGAPORE 03/09/1981
ang li ,lianyungang,china 20/07/1988
huaixuan cheng , ,china
yufei chen ,xichang ,china 15/04/1987
jing jin ,changzhou ,china 31/08/1986
lei wang ,dalian ,china 28/09/1987
congrui huang ,zhengzhou ,china 07/10/1986
jin wang ,jining ,china 23/04/1985
jintao liu ,changchun ,china 24/05/1979



www.juventus.com.cn

WEIFENG ,WANG , SHANTOU ,CHINA ,1985/7/23
William Chung , Sydney ,Australia, 21/01/1985
XiaoDong Huang , GuangDong , China 08/10/i985
Fei Hao,Henan,China,05/11/83
ZhouJun,BeiJing,China,07/23/1982
shiyinke, hunan, china, 13/06/1986
Wenkui Yuan , BeiJing , China , 03/12/1977
YUWENWEI ,FUJIAN,CHINA, 6/11/1988
Daekiu PARK, Dalian ,CHINA ,06/10/1982
Irving Huang , Jiangsu ,China ,26/11/1981
RenZhou Guo , Shenzhen , China , 6/7/1985
leizhi chen,jiangsu,china,21/10/1983
JIAZE ROY, TIANJIN, China, 1/18/1985
BIAN WU ,Wuhan,China 04/07/1983
XING WANG,CHONGQING,CHINA,11/11/1979


www.11players.com

Chao Ke , Xiamen , PR China
riku kan,Ningbo ,PR China
Ken zhu, Shanghai PR China
Jacob Zhao, Shanghai PR China
Lee Jie, WUXI ,PR China
KIMIL MAO,BEIJING, PR CHINA
zhang ma ,dongying, PR CHINA
HAN FEI , cheng du , PR CHINA
Henry Huang ,Shanghai ,PR China

 

[Juventinho]

Guys, do you know any Juventus/Del Piero/Zlatan/Buffon/etc forums where you could post the letter and collect signatures or, at least, that you could indicate me?

(Other than the ones Alexthegreat is working on, we've already got Juventusmania and Juvepoland covered)

I know a Zebina forum

But then again i dont think we need those kind of fans if you know what i mean

 

[isha00]

Thanks for the signatures (keep them coming, of course :wink: )!

This initiative now has a site too (only in italian, but I'll try to get a English version too )
http://www.calciopoli.tk/

 

[jussiut]

A petitions only function is to make the one who signs it feel better (you feel better don't you?) in themselves: no petition has ever so much as a ripple in the ocean.

Now if you can be there when the gathering happens and people take to the streets then you will see the power of the masses, but if all that is said does prove to be true, what can we do but take the punishment like civilised beings: Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and start all over again.

Yes you're right, these petitions are a form of therapy for supporters, a symbolic gesture to show support. However, some petitions do have power and influence amongst the elite that they're directed to and I'm talking about the petitions which are officially gathered from real people and signed personally. In the internet you can claim to be whoever you want you to be as many times as you please so the last bit of influence that these petitions hold will disappear.

 

[isha00]

Jussiut, these signatures wouldn't bound Borrelli not even if each one of us went to sign under his nose.

But! But we are getting results anyway:


It seems Borrelli agrees with us, after all. From his statement of today (or yesterday)

''Quando tra 20 giorni i giudici dovranno giudicare - ha detto - dovranno farlo senza la pressione della piazza. I processi non si fanno in mezzo alla strada."

"When in 20 days the judges will have to judge - he said - they'll have to do it without the crowd's pressure. Trials can't be made in the streets (meaning by people who are not magistrates)"


AND, last but absolutely not least:



Tuttosport of today.

I FAN SI MUOVONO
Lettera con 5000 firme a Borrelli

Uno stralcio della missiva: «Ci appelliamo a lei per chiedere giustizia, non amnistia. Se ci sarà da retrocedere, che si retroceda ma non perché lo chiedono alcune persone...»

UNA LETTERA accompagnata da cinquemila firme di tifosi bianconeri è stata spedita a Francesco Saverio Borrelli, capo dell’Ufficio Indagini della Feder*calcio. La preoccupazione dei so*stenitori bianconeri è che il pro*cesso sia sommario e la Juventus paghi per tutti. Pubblichiamo uno stralcio della missiva: «Ci ap*pelliamo a lei per chiedere giu*stizia, non amnistia. Se ci sarà da retrocedere che si retroceda ma non perché lo chiedono alcune persone... » . I cinquemila tifosi, inoltre, lamentano la mancanza di una voce autorevole all’interno della società: « Al momento non esiste una società. Nessuno che parli, nessuno che spieghi, nes*suno che si faccia sentire per esprimere la propria posizione. Gli eredi degli Agnelli sono gio*vani e il resto del vertice dirigen*ziale è stato decapitato proprio a causa di queste vicende » . Come a voler dire: c’è un vuoto di potere. Poi, con orgoglio: « Il nostro tifo? Siamo la Juve. Niente vetrine rotte, niente violenze, niente ri*volte di piazza. E siamo tantissi*mi... » . Tanti concetti interessanti spediti al dottor Borrelli. E il tut*to, lo ripetiamo, accompagnato da cinquemila firme di tifosi che chiedono solo giustizia, nient’al*tro che giustizia. La paura è che in fase di decisione prevalga il sentimento di quell’Italia che non ama i colori bianconeri e che vuole una Juventus eliminata dal calcio che conta. La certezza è che con il passare dei giorni la tifoseria si sta mobilitando per difendere la propria bandiera. Manifestazioni d’affetto che stan*no crescendo con slancio. In que*sto momento difficile la Juventus non sarà sola, al suo fianco c’è la gente che non ha nessuna inten*zione di abbandonare la barca che sta affondando. Del resto gli abbonamenti per la prossima stagione ( quale?) vanno davvero forte: sino a ieri ne sono stati venduti ottomila. Che di questi tempi non sono bruscolini.



The fans get their act together
Letter with 5000 signatures to Borrelli.

A piece of it "We appeal to you to demand justice, not amnesty. If we will have to be demoted, so be it, but not just because some people want it so..."

A letter Accompained by 5000 signatures of bianconeri supporters has been sent to Francesco Saverio Borrelli, head of the "prosecution office" of the Figc. What worries the juventus supporters is that the trial will be summary and that Juve will be the only one to pay. Here is a piece of this letter:"We appeal to you to demand justice, not amnesty. If we will have to be demoted, so be it, but not just because some people want it so...". The 5000 supporters also complain about the lack of a voice with some suthority inside the club. "At the moment there is no club. NO one that speaks, no one that explains, no one that makes their opinions known. The Agnelli's heirs are young and the head of the managerial asset hase been beheaded when this situation started". Like to say: there is a lack of power. Then, with pride: "Our ultras? We are Juve. No broken show windows, no violence, no riots. There are many of us...". A lot of interesting insights sent to Mr Borrelli. And everything, we repeat, accompained by 5000 signatures of Supporters who ask only for justice, nothing else. What they fear is that when decision will be made, the sentiments of that Italy that doesn't love the bianconere stripes and wants a Juve erased form the calcio world will win. What they are sure of is that the ultras are getting their act together to fedend their flag (team). In this difficult moment Juventus will not be alone, by her side there are a lot of people who won't abandon the sinking ship. After all the 2006-07 season tickets (where?) are doing great. As of yesterday 8000 had already been sold. And, in times like these ones, it's not a joke.



Keep on signing!

 

[fish260]

Keep on signing!

ok ,from china :

teng ma ,ningbo ,china 09/11/1981
ChaoWang , Qinhuangdao China ,02/11/1983
xiawen chao ,shenyang ,china 27/12/1982
yi wu ,xi'an ,china ,14/04/1988
MAO CHOU WUHAN PR CHINA
gao ma ,guangzhou, China09/12/1979
chao zhang ,dongying ,china 11/10/1988
Wei,Huang,Nanchang,China,13/07/1982
huaishun mu ,tianjin ,china 11/12/1983
yi bo ,liu ,liuzhou ,china 29/03/1987

 

[Mark]

Our own Er gò de Turone from J1897 got answered back by Borelli himself;

Gentile Dottor Zampini,
La ringrazio per il Suo accorato messaggio, ma non so assolutamente in che termini risponderLe. Come certamente sa, l'Ufficio Indagini cui mi hanno preposto ha soltanto il compito di raccogliere le fonti di prova relative a determinati episodi (e le raccoglie senza disporre di strumenti coercitivi, com'è ov vio, dunque fidando o fingendo di fidare nella lealtà e sincerità delle persone ascoltate). Non all'Ufficio Indagini, bensì alla Procura Federale spetta formulare i capi di incolpazione e decidere se deferire al Giudice sportivo le persone coinvolte negli episodi e le relative società calcistiche, ovvero archiviare il procedimento. Infine al Giudice tocca emettere il giudizio sulla fondatezza o meno delle incolpazioni ed eventualmente applicare la sanzioni previste dall'Ordinamento. Questa aspettativa mediatica che si è creata attorno alla mia persona è perciò in buona parte frutto di un equivoco. Cercheremo di svolgere al meglio il nostro compito, ma non è da noi che i tifosi devono attendersi che sia resa giustizia. Il nostro compito, lo ripeto, è meramente preparatorio.
Molti cordiali saluti

Francesco Saverio Borrelli

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To resume, he said that he's not the one that makes the decisions(he just looks if there's any proof and sends it to the higher powers) and we should take it to the federal court and the sports justice. Letters and petitions should be sent to them.

He was nice to answer back.

 

[fish260]

weijie cui ,xiamen ,china ,18/11/1981
fangtao xiao ,sanming ,china ,10/06/1987
song yan ,LA ,USA,19/08/1985
shaokai fu ,longyan ,china 20/03/1986
xing chen ,shanghai ,china 26/06/1977
min gang ,yangzhou ,china ,23/11/1985
hao cheng ,luoyang ,china ,06/10/1986

 

[isha00]

________________________

To resume, he said that he's not the one that makes the decisions(he just looks if there's any proof and sends it to the higher powers) and we should take it to the federal court and the sports justice. Letters and petitions should be sent to them.

He was nice to answer back.

Yep, he was.

Now he (Massimo, who would be Er go' de Turone) is going to work to make the message (with signatures and all) be heard also by the other people taking part of this procedure. The most symbolicly important one has already answered, let's see what the others will do

So, guys, for the millionth time I realize , keep on signing!

 

[Geof]

great to see the petition gives results!

 

[jussiut]

Isha, I'm impressed. You're right, this thing was actually noticed in the press and also by Borelli so congratulations to you and to all who are involved in the organisation of this petition. I've signed it but I didn't think an internet petition would get any notification whatsoever. Luckily I was wrong. This of course doesn't change anything in the enquiry process but it's a nice gesture nevertheless.

 

[isha00]

Well the fact that what people think and ask doesn't change anything in this kind of procedure should be implicit in any civil country, but we need to make our voice be heard, at least to try to balance in some way all what it said against us.

PLEASE, GUYS, KEEP ON SIGNING!

 

[giovanotti]

Great to see all the progress with this stuff...Bravo isha!!!