Pele Names His 125 Greatest Living Players (6 Viewers)

Dec 27, 2003
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#21
I just realized that Pélé had specified that he only took "living" players into consideration, otherwise the absences of Scirea, Moore or Garrincha from that list would have been utterly insulting.

Nonetheless, it has to be said that he still seems to be suffering from both myopia and amnesia, and that this confirms how 'O Rey hasn't done many things right since he retired from football.


Argentina : how does Saviola, an otherwise very talented player who is still in the early phases of his career and who hasn't achieved anything relevant yet, manage to be considered as one of the greatest that the football powerhouse that is Argentina has produced?

Belgium : Franky Van der Elst??? I can name at least one Belgian defensive mid (that was Van der Elst's role) who was better than him : Georges Grun. But where does that leave Enzo Scifo and the man who is regarded as the greatest Belgian ever : Paul Van Himst? Also, Preud'homme was better than Pfaff, without a question.

Brazil : What does he make of his WC '58 teammates Didi and Vava, or of Gerson, Tostao and Jairzinho? Have Rivaldo and Ronaldinho left a more tangible mark?

Croatia : Suker scored 6 goals in France 98 alright, but Boksic was the most stylish attacker around when he was at Marseille and Lazio. And what about Boban? The man became a legend with the legendary Milan ffs!

France : Trezeguet, Pirès and maybe Cantona don't belong to that list, especially if you are going to omit Giresse, Tigana and Laurent Blanc.

Germany : Ballack shouldn't be there yet, otherwise you would have to include Overath, Schuster and Brehme to randomly name but three.

Hungary : one of Puskas' partners in crime (Czibor, Kocsis or Hidegkuti - preferably the latter) would not look bad there.

Italy : it's Gianluigi not Gianluca Buffon. Del Piero can get the hell out of that list. As could, in a way, Nesta and Bergomi. I mean, do the names Mazzola, Riva, Conti (of whom Pélé himself said he was a "closet brazilian" in WC 82) ring a bell???

Liberia : In fact he may as well have named Weah best African player ever.

Netherlands : well done Pélé. At first sight no one is missing, although some other name might pop up eventually. Oops, it just did : Ronald Koeman.

Nigeria : I rate Amunike, Finidi and Yekini higher than Okocha.

Paraguay : I have never heard of this Romerito dude. Has he been more important than Chilavert?

Poland : I seem to recall a certain Polish striker called Gregor Lato scoring 8 goals in WC 1974 - not good enough for you, Mr Edson Arantes do Nascimento?

Russia : Yashin is dead alright, but if Dasaev was WC 1986's best goallie, Protasov was its topscorer and received the Golden Ball as aresult of it.

Spain : we're getting near the bottom of the list, and this is where Pélé's amnesia resurfaces in its most persistent form. Or maybe he just got Luis Enrique confused with another Luis : Golden Ball winning and European champion (both with Inter and Spain) Suarez. And the most talented player of the Real Madrid of the 80's was Michel, not Butragueno.

Ukraine : Golden Ball winner and leader of the first (and, to my knowledge, last) Soviet team to have won a European Cup, Oleg Blokhin, may have deserved a mention, not?

USA : two women? Has Pélé taken too many of them viagra pills he promotes so stiffly?

On a final and general note, I wonder - with all due respect - why countries like Chile, Ghana, Japan or Senegal are on that list when Sweden or Yugoslavia alone have produced more talents than all of them put together. Or does he actually believe that Diouf and Nakata come before Liedholm and Stojkovic?
 

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mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#22
++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Nigeria : I rate Amunike, Finidi and Yekini higher than Okocha.
I watched Finidi for a year at Ipswich, and he was half the player Jay-Jay is for Bolton. I haven't seen much of the other two though, I have to admit.

As for one country you missed - Ireland - Brady, Giles or Paul McGrath are at least as deserving as Keane, but again, Pele gives the nod to the most recent player.
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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#23
Your all being a bit harsh on Pele... Bearing in mind pele was given a list of 300 players to choose from... We have not seen that list and as such have no idea what players were available to be selected
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Bearing in mind pele was given a list of 300 players to choose from...
Now that's a fair point. Who drew up the list. And did that person even know who McGrath was?
 
Dec 27, 2003
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#26
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

I watched Finidi for a year at Ipswich, and he was half the player Jay-Jay is for Bolton. I haven't seen much of the other two though, I have to admit.
I don't know what Ipswich Finidi looked like, but Ajax Finidi was an impressive player, and I think earning a reputation in Amsterdam is a greater accomplihment than doing it in Paris or Bolton, with all due respect.
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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#27
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Now that's a fair point. Who drew up the list. And did that person even know who McGrath was?
Fifa supplied Pele with a list of 300 players, he had to pick 50 current and 50 retired players

Pele couldnt manage 50 retired players so they allowed him 75 retired and 50 current
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#28
++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
I don't know what Ipswich Finidi looked like, but Ajax Finidi was an impressive player, and I think earning a reputation in Amsterdam is a greater accomplihment than doing it in Paris or Bolton, with all due respect.
Are you implying that the Dutch league is of a higher standare than the English one? Because that's just wrong.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#29
++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Fifa supplied Pele with a list of 300 players, he had to pick 50 current and 50 retired players

Pele couldnt manage 50 retired players so they allowed him 75 retired and 50 current
That's a crap balance. No wonder the list is skewed. 50-50 would have been a joke.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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#30
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Are you implying that the Dutch league is of a higher standare than the English one? Because that's just wrong.
No, Im implying that being a key player in a team that wins the Champions League is better than being a star in a team that fights to avoid relegation.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Are you implying that the Dutch league is of a higher standare than the English one? Because that's just wrong.
There is such a thing as the Champions League John.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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#33
Also true. My respect for Finidi derives from the two group stage games Ajax played against us in the 1995 CL : he outplayed Maldini on both occasions, which is a sufficently rare event for it to be highlighted. Paolo did manage to contain him in the final, but unfortunately that was not enough for us to lift the Cup.
 

Lilianna

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Apr 3, 2003
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#35
++ [ originally posted by Esteban ] ++
The great Pele (LANCE!)
03/04/2004. Brazil legend Pele has compiled a list of the "FIFA 100" greatest living footballers. This marks the 100th anniversary of the foundation of FIFA. There are actually 125 names in the list.


ARGENTINA Alfredo Di Stefano Daniel Passarella Diego Maradona Gabriel Batistuta Hernan Crespo Javier Saviola Javier Zanetti Juan Sebastian Veron Mario Kempes Omar Sivori BELGIUM Franky van der Elst Jean-Marie Pfaff Jan Cuelemens BRAZIL Cafu Carlos Alberto Djalma Santos Falcao Milton Santos Junior Pele Rivaldo Rivelino Roberto Carlos Romario Ronaldinho Ronaldo Socrates Zico BULGARIA Hristo Stoichkov CAMEROON Roger Milla CHILE Pablo Figueroa Ivan Zamorano COLOMBIA Carlos Valderrama CROATIA Davor Suker CZECH REPUBLIC Josef Masopust Pavel Nedved DENMARK Brian Laudrup Michael Laudrup Peter Schmeichal ENGLAND Alan Shearer Bobby Charlton David Beckham Gary Linekar Gordon Banks Kevin Keegan Michael Owen FRANCE David Trezeguet Didier Deschamps Eric Cantona Jean-Pierre Papin Just Fontaine Lilian Thuram Marcel Desailly Marius Tresor Michel Platini Patrick Vieira Raymond Kopa Robert Pires Thierry Henry Zinedine Zidane GERMANY Franz Beckenbauer Gerd Mueller Jurgen Klinsmann Karl-Heinz Rummenigge Lothar Matthaus Michael Ballack Oliver Kahn Paul Breitner Sepp Maier Uwe Seeler GHANA Abedi Pele HUNGARY Ferenc Puskas IRELAND Roy Keane ITALY Alessandro Del Piero Alessandro Nesta Christian Vieri Dino Zoff Francesco Totti Franco Baresi Giampiero Boniperti Giacinto Fachetti Gianluca Buffon Gianni Rivera Giuseppe Bergomi Paolo Rossi Paolo Maldini Roberto Baggio JAPAN Hidetoshi Nakata LIBERIA George Weah MEXICO Hugo Sanchez NETHERLANDS Clarence Seedorf Dennis Bergkamp Edgar Davids Frank Rijkaard Johan Neeskens Johan Cruyff Marco Van Basten Patrick Kluivert Rene van de Kerkhof Rob Rensenbrink Ruud Gullit Ruud van Nistelrooy Willie van de Kerkhof NIGERIA Jay-Jay Okocha NORTHERN IRELAND George Best PARAGUAY Romerito PERU Teofilo Cubillas POLAND Zbigniew Boniek PORTUGAL Eusebio Luis Figo Rui Costa ROMANIA Gheorghe Hagi RUSSIA Rinat Disayev SCOTLAND Kenny Dalglish SENEGAL El Hadji Diouf SOUTH KOREA Hong Myung-Bo SPAIN Emilio Butragueno Luis Enrique Raul TURKEY Emre Belozoglu Rustu Recber UKRAINE Andriy Shevchenko URUGUAY Enzo Francescoli UNITED STATES (women) Michelle Akers Mia Hamm

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i KNEW there would be our players too!!!!
 
Aug 1, 2003
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#39
I'm not entirely satisfied with the list but I am especially shocked Italy's all time topscorer Luigi Riva isn't there...

and although his goal tallies might disagree, I was NEVER fond of Alan Shearer
 
Dec 27, 2003
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#40
++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Your all being a bit harsh on Pele... Bearing in mind pele was given a list of 300 players to choose from... We have not seen that list and as such have no idea what players were available to be selected
It would be interesting to see that list and, more important, to know who submitted it to him. Oh wait, I think I know : it's Sepp Blatter, isn't it?

'O Rey just wasn't entitled to figure out 120 names on his own, as he remains Blatter's tool and lowest common denominator method of marketing.
 

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