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Bjerknes

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That would certainly curb consumption in our nation and force the people to realize the actual cost of a gallon of gas. To assume that we can continue consuming at the same rates we do now and sustain it toward any sort of future is silly. Then again changing for the future will require a huge lifestyle change, high gas prices help this occur faster.
Apart from completely destroying the economy (every single thing produced has an oil premium tied to its pricing), yeah, you may be on to something.

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That would certainly curb consumption in our nation and force the people to realize the actual cost of a gallon of gas. To assume that we can continue consuming at the same rates we do now and sustain it toward any sort of future is silly. Then again changing for the future will require a huge lifestyle change, high gas prices help this occur faster.
You really think that the average dumbass is going to take time out of their day to sit down and think about why gas prices rise? I would think that with the way things have been going people would have looked at their lifestyles over a decade ago but nothing has changed, at least not for the better. In an ideal society raising gas prices would force people to realize the true cost of their consumption but in America focusing on problems only causes people to panic and act even stupider, btw I agree with Andy's above post about how it would damage the economy
 

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Apart from completely destroying the economy (every single thing produced has an oil premium tied to its pricing), yeah, you may be on to something.

:shifty:
It wouldn't be on a permanent basis, but yeah high gas prices would be a good thing. You can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that our reliance on oil (not just in cars) and the waste lifestyle is sustainable beyond another 50 years.
 

Bjerknes

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This isn't Europe though. The entire nation isn't able to take mass transit because there isn't any in the country. At gasoline reaching $8 a gallon, everything comes to a halt, especially in this depressed economy.

We are talking death blow to the entire nation, not just the economy.
 

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You really think that the average dumbass is going to take time out of their day to sit down and think about why gas prices rise? I would think that with the way things have been going people would have looked at their lifestyles over a decade ago but nothing has changed, at least not for the better. In an ideal society raising gas prices would force people to realize the true cost of their consumption but in America focusing on problems only causes people to panic and act even stupider, btw I agree with Andy's above post about how it would damage the economy
We have an economy that doesn't produce anything. It's based on loans and the creation of money in the future. How much more messed up can you get?

Saying that change isn't worth it because it might confuse people is silly. If the road ahead of you washes out are you going to continue down that road because you're passengers might be freaked out if you turn suddenly?
 

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This isn't Europe though. The entire nation isn't able to take mass transit because there isn't any in the country. At gasoline reaching $8 a gallon, everything comes to a halt, especially in this depressed economy.

We are talking death blow to the entire nation, not just the economy.
What happens when the supplies of oil are far less than it's demand? Like it will in 40 years or so.

The truth of the matter is that in order to be ready for the future change must beging now. Maybe $8 a gallon is a little much, but when gas was near $5 a gallon I know for a fact a lot of people changed their lifestyles, even if it was for only a few months.
 

Bjerknes

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It wouldn't be on a permanent basis, but yeah high gas prices would be a good thing. You can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that our reliance on oil (not just in cars) and the waste lifestyle is sustainable beyond another 50 years.
I think we could get by another 50 years. Another 100 is another question though.

Many "peak oilers" are doomers in their own right. BP just discovered another 5 billion barrels worth in the gulf, and in North Dakota there is an untapped field with 40 billion. Sure, extraction costs rise, but technology is also enhanced.

Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't take steps to move away from crude because the ultimate reality is that $8 per gallon will eventually happen. But hoping for it is hoping for the death of the nation.
 

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I think we could get by another 50 years. Another 100 is another question though.

Many "peak oilers" are doomers in their own right. BP just discovered another 5 billion barrels worth in the gulf, and in North Dakota there is an untapped field with 40 billion. Sure, extraction costs rise, but technology is also enhanced.

Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't take steps to move away from crude because the ultimate reality is that $8 per gallon will eventually happen. But hoping for it is hoping for the death of the nation.
Ironic?
 

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If Obama doesn't want to bomb Iran, why did he come out to say at the G-20 that they discovered a new nuclear enrichment facility when that facility was already recognized for over a year? I know the public are pretty dumb, but this is obviously another con-game.
Perhaps you didn't catch my Ze Frank vid link on the topic:
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,42968550001_1927247,00.html

The tree-hugger's dream.
More like tree-f*cker's. Get them straight. Some want to go well past first base with their arboreal friends.

Anyone know the criteria the Nobel fellows use to give a peace prize?
All he wants is Peace. Peace! PEACE!!!

A little piece of Poland, a little piece of France...

 

Bjerknes

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What happens when the supplies of oil are far less than it's demand? Like it will in 40 years or so.

The truth of the matter is that in order to be ready for the future change must beging now. Maybe $8 a gallon is a little much, but when gas was near $5 a gallon I know for a fact a lot of people changed their lifestyles, even if it was for only a few months.
It's not like companies are asleep at the switch. There is quite a lot of alternative energy research underway, such as the work being done at Carbon Sciences.

But whatever the case, people here will not blame themselves for what happens. When crude was at $147 a barrel last year, everyone blamed the speculators at the NYMEX when instead it was the investment banks trying to push crude higher. Once Israel bombs Iran, the public won't blame military actions, but rather Iran. Once crude runs out and people are still driving their F350's, they'll blame the auto producers for not keeping their prices "reasonable".

There is absolutely no accountability for anyone's actions in this nation anymore.
 

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