Paulo Dybala (166 Viewers)

[Hydde]

We had the same mid last year but had a lot of help from Cuads and Mandzukic. Khedira is worse but not worse to the point of no possibility of the whole formation working IMO. Even if I think we could use something like a 4-3-3 with Dybala out wider but not pure rw. Also not so sure that Matuidi can do the job in the 4-2-3-1

Yup. I have been saying this since who knows when but... oh well.

 

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[Fr3sh]

You're just a jealous lazy bum who lacks talent, so you hate on people with skills and talent, and support those with grit and ruggedness because they're kinda like you. People who need to work extra hard to succeed to mask their lack of natural ability. It's ok. I feel for you. One day you'll learn to appreciate those superior to you. Don't resist it.

I'm talent personified

 

[Bianconero81]

I'm talentless hack personified

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We had the same mid last year but had a lot of help from Cuads and Mandzukic. Khedira is worse but not worse to the point of no possibility of the whole formation working IMO. Even if I think we could use something like a 4-3-3 with Dybala out wider but not pure rw. Also not so sure that Matuidi can do the job in the 4-2-3-1

Playing Dybala out wide would be such a waste and literally take away all his strengths

 

[Hængebøffer]

Sure. Cause he’s doing soo much better in the middle.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Sure. Cause he’s doing soo much better in the middle.

He's not a winger nor an inside forward end of. Its pretty obvious his strengths does not suit either of those roles

 

[edgardavids2608]

He's not a winger nor an inside forward end of. Its pretty obvious his strengths does not suit either of those roles

So where is it ?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

So where is it ?

A support forward.

Sticking him out wide right is retarded is crossing the ball one of his main strengths? nope

He's left footed so it's obvious to many defenders that he will cut inside nearly every time which can be easily negated and limits his passing options

 

[edgardavids2608]

A support forward.

Sticking him out wide right is retarded is crossing the ball one of his main strengths? nope

He's left footed so it's obvious to many defenders that he will cut inside nearly every time which can be easily negated and limits his passing options

I agree its not his best position but saying if they know you are cutting to your strong foot is a big issue then the entire world wouldnt use inverted wingers. Its not team Dybala its Juventus and 80% of Dybala and Higuain is better than 100% of both imo. This isnt a where is Dybala best argument you just came seem to ever make a single tactical argument. If you are over the age of 14 I would be really surprised

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I agree its not his best position but saying if they know you are cutting to your strong foot is a big issue then the entire world wouldnt use inverted wingers. Its not team Dybala its Juventus and 80% of Dybala and Higuain is better than 100% of both imo. This isnt a where is Dybala best argument you just came seem to ever make a single tactical argument. If you are over the age of 14 I would be really surprised

1)Not every team play with inverted wingers as you've just suggested

2) I never said anything about 'Team Dybala' or Juventus I simply said putting him on the right as you suggested completely takes away all his strengths as a player and why you even bring Higuain to this argument I don't even know...

3) You've not made a single point as to why Dybala would be suited to the right, especially without calling others out for their 'lack of argument' so who's the one with more tactical argument now? I'll give you another point as to why he isn't suited to the right to the others I've already made, he doesn't have the explosive pace to make him effective enough out wide, he's not a Costa or Cuadrado. Like I said before there is not 1 attribute that suits Dybala to play him out wide

 

[edgardavids2608]

I dont know why we have to choose between Dybala and Higgy. You should know that if we are to go far in the CL we need them both on the field and performing well. How do we make this happen? IMO Higgy being a full supporter of Dybala and working off him is the best solution. He wont be as productive stat wise but I think Dybs will thrive and our scoring will as well. He looked best yesterday when he started dropping back in the midfield and recieving and drawing players around the field

This is where the argument of how to play Dybala. I said having both of them play together is our only way to go far. Maybe you disagree but on that premise playing Dybala out wide could be an option. Just saying. I agree its not his best place but if we want those two together its an option

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1)Not every team play with inverted wingers as you've just suggested

2) I never said anything about 'Team Dybala' or Juventus I simply said putting him on the right as you suggested completely takes away all his strengths as a player and why you even bring Higuain to this argument I don't even know...

3) You've not made a single point as to why Dybala would be suited to the right, especially without calling others out for their 'lack of argument' so who's the one with more tactical argument now? I'll give you another point as to why he isn't suited to the right to the others I've already made, he doesn't have the explosive pace to make him effective enough out wide, he's not a Costa or Cuadrado. Like I said before there is not 1 attribute that suits Dybala to play him out wide

Most teams play inverted wingers in modern football. Hard to argue aginst

 

[Badass J Elkann]

So it went from "The entire world" to now "Most teams" play with inverted wingers?

I can tell you now Chelsea don't

 

[edgardavids2608]

So it went from "The entire world" to now "Most teams" play with inverted wingers?

I can tell you now Chelsea don't

Would you say most wingers arent inverted? Or you going to point to one team

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Would you say most wingers arent inverted? Or you going to point to one team

Can you stop changing your argument.

Going from "The entire world use inverted wingers"

to "Most teams use inverted wingers"

to "Most wingers aren't inverted wingers?"

are completely different points

and in answer to your last question no most wingers are not inverted wingers

 

[edgardavids2608]

Can you stop changing your argument.

Going from "The entire world use inverted wingers"

to "Most teams use inverted wingers"

to "Most wingers aren't inverted wingers?"

are completely different points

and in answer to your last question no most wingers are not inverted wingers

Changing my argument? You made the point that left footed players are to predictable to play on the right and vice versa. You are the one changing your argument by posting teams like chelsea as to say that Dybala couldnt play right because some teams use traditional wingers. And no most wigers are inverted. At least all the top ones

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Changing my argument? You made the point that left footed players are to predictable to play on the right and vice versa. You are the one changing your argument by posting teams like chelsea as to say that Dybala couldnt play right because some teams use traditional wingers. And no most wigers are inverted. At least all the top ones

I didn't say all left footed players are predictable on the right (again you are changing the argument)

I said Dybala playing on the right makes him a predictable player given he isn't known for crossing with his right and is left footed there for in most cases he is easy to defend against, and like i said in my previous point, it also limits his passing options

I used the chelsea answer in as a counter response to your "All teams play with inverted wingers" statement, not the other way around

Not even going to bother going into talking about other wingers inverted or not for this case, futile argument

 

[edgardavids2608]

Sp back to the original statement that Badass keeps getting away from. We really need him and Higuain to play together well in the future if we plan on going far. How can we facilitate both of them playing without sacrificing defense? Maybe Matuidi and Pjanic behind? It has to be that or Dybala out wider IMO

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Sp back to the original statement that Badass keeps getting away from. We really need him and Higuain to play together well in the future if we plan on going far. How can we facilitate both of them playing without sacrificing defense? Maybe Matuidi and Pjanic behind? It has to be that or Dybala out wider IMO

original argument, the original point you made was to 'play Dybala on the right'

don't even try and put words into my mouth

just incase you've forgotten

I think we could use something like a 4-3-3 with Dybala out wider but not pure rw.

and I've told you exactly why it won't work

 

[edgardavids2608]

original argument, the original point you made was to 'play Dybala on the right'

don't even try and put words into my mouth

just incase you've forgotten



and I've told you exactly why it won't work

I got it bro. You think that players who cut inside most of the time become predictable and lose their passing option. There are other people thathave actually watched Messi,Ronaldo,Ribery,Robben, Neymar,Di maria, etc who think that maybe it could work. Youre free to give a better formation and say this how I invision us doing well or you could just spout crap about how we cant do anything right ever the whole time while we continue to dominate.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Are you brain damaged or something?

I'm not suggesting any 'formation' that's not the point whatever formation you pick someone will lose out be it Bernadeschi, Costa, Mandzukic, Higuain, Dybala it's irrelevant! we have a squad that is capable of playing multiple systems and not just one. The need to play Dybala and Higuain together is your opinion BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ARGUING ABOUT

What I am arguing about is the flaws in your suggestion to play Dybala out wide for the sake of playing him alongside Higuain

Is it really that hard to comprehend? Seriously why the fuck is Di maria, Ribery etc now involved in this debate? what the hell has that got to do with anything? I already said I'm not going to speak of other wingers, because first and foremost they are wingers and Dybala IS NOT