Paris 2024 Summer Olympics (2 Viewers)

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,597
it's natural the americans won't do well at shooting competitions in olympics.

the targets are not kids, so they have no interest in winning.

replace the circle with a picture of little timmy and watch the muricans do perfect shots with eyes closed.

Womp womp. Seven already aced same joke yesterday.



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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,363
So the woman she lost against was born with XY chromosomes but has a hairy axe wound?

Shouldn’t be allowed to compete against XX competitors. Huge advantage for her.
I don't think it's necessary to be crude. People born with those kind of disorders do not live easy lives.

That being said, I don't think they should be allowed to compete in women's sports. I realize this is unfortunate, as in many cases they themselves would be very disadvantaged if they had to compete with men. But having them compete makes women's sports meaningless for the vast majority of biologically female athletes.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,687
Jesus, that's shameful, that a farce like that was allowed to go on without proper thourough checks in advance.
there were proper checks, however IOC said “ok”. the two women with this disorder were banned from last year’s world championships because of disorder.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,597
I don't think it's necessary to be crude. People born with those kind of disorders do not live easy lives.

That being said, I don't think they should be allowed to compete in women's sports. I realize this is unfortunate, as in many cases they themselves would be very disadvantaged if they had to compete with men. But having them compete makes women's sports meaningless for the vast majority of biologically female athletes.

In female football they check hormone levels before allowing them to play in competitions. Not even transgender cases, born female but 2nd sex deviations that elevated their hormones and gave them physical edge.


For footie was couple Zambia players. African nations cup required them to take hormone reduction meds to compete a year ago etc.


If this Algerian boxer was born male, then it's whole another thing in comparison, much less complicated and should be excluded due to undeniable huge advantage.



Would turn womens boxing to wife beating competition.

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there were proper checks, however IOC said “ok”. the two women with this disorder were banned from last year’s world championships because of disorder.

Yeah just read that. That type of inconsistency in sporting competitions is wild. If continental, national or regional competitions ban them for that reason, so should the highest international competition in Olympics.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,363
If this Algerian boxer was born male, then it's whole another thing in comparison, much less complicated and should be excluded due to undeniable huge advantage.
From what I understand she wasn't necessarily born 'male'.

Let me be very frank: I think any trans athlete born a biological male should be banned from female sports on a competitive level, even if I have no ill will towards them. The advantages are numerous and it's never a fair fight. When it comes to trans athletes the answer is easy.

DSD is not really as simple as XY = male and XX = female though. One of the more famous examples is androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are people born with XY chromosomes, but their bodies do not respond to androgens on a cellular level. From the outside they can look and function completely like women (albeit they are not fertile obviously). It would be really difficult to categorise them as strictly male. And frankly their condition is probably not helpful in sports.

In this case it would appear though that there is an obvious benefit from a competive point of view and personally I would exclude her.

But even so this debate is never as simple a line as people say. For example we have doping tests that measure the amount of red blood cells and we say that if you have more, you must be cheating. But humans evolve. What if someone evolves to be able to hold more red blood cells? We don't accuse Bolt of cheating for having better achilles tendons. And even worse: sprinters are flagged for false starts when they react 'more quickly than humanly possible'. Who is to determine what is humanly possible? I'm definitely not capable of running a 9.58 100m and I'm human.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,454
From what I understand she wasn't necessarily born 'male'.

Let me be very frank: I think any trans athlete born a biological male should be banned from female sports on a competitive level, even if I have no ill will towards them. The advantages are numerous and it's never a fair fight. When it comes to trans athletes the answer is easy.

DSD is not really as simple as XY = male and XX = female though. One of the more famous examples is androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are people born with XY chromosomes, but their bodies do not respond to androgens on a cellular level. From the outside they can look and function completely like women (albeit they are not fertile obviously). It would be really difficult to categorise them as strictly male. And frankly their condition is probably not helpful in sports.

In this case it would appear though that there is an obvious benefit from a competive point of view and personally I would exclude her.

But even so this debate is never as simple a line as people say. For example we have doping tests that measure the amount of red blood cells and we say that if you have more, you must be cheating. But humans evolve. What if someone evolves to be able to hold more red blood cells? We don't accuse Bolt of cheating for having better achilles tendons. And even worse: sprinters are flagged for false starts when they react 'more quickly than humanly possible'. Who is to determine what is humanly possible? I'm definitely not capable of running a 9.58 100m and I'm human.
Star athletes more often than not have many genetic advantages. Phelps is an obvious example. The line where what is acceptable and what is not feels arbitrary at times.
 

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