Official Zlatan Ibrahimovic Thread (40 Viewers)

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by jakobg ] ++

Where have you been the last year?

You wrote an exact description of Zlatan 1-2 years ago. This was him before he matured at Ajax and before Koeman and Van Basten learned him what professional football is all about.

Zlatan today is much more of a team player. He knows much better now when to let the ball go and most of all, he works much harder for the team now than he did when he came to Ajax. He has showed this both at Ajax and in the Swedish national team.

The thing he needs to improve the most now is his goal scoring ability. He needs to be a little sharper in front of goal. I'm sure this will come, but we'll have to give him some time to adapt to Juve and to the Italian way of playing football.

He certainly had matured, and 2 years ago he was so absolutely horrible that even Machlas was better. But he still has these moments of madness, as in the Amstel Cup match against Feyenoord in 2002/2003. And he also has a lot of matches where he does absolutely nothing and only hinders the team. I was very surprised that we signed him already, as there were talks about a future transfer for 2005.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, but he really should be used a sub this year, as neither Del Piero nor Trezeguet can be missed in the squad. He needs time indeed, let's mold him into the squad very slowly.

PS Why does Koeman hate flamboyant players? The list is endless, Witschge, Mido (doesn't really count as he throwed scissors at Zlatan), Yakubu and now Ibrahimovic. He just forces them out of the club.

 

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[jakobg]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++
PS Why does Koeman hate flamboyant players? The list is endless, Witschge, Mido (doesn't really count as he throwed scissors at Zlatan), Yakubu and now Ibrahimovic. He just forces them out of the club.

Witschge was clearly not good enough for Ajax when he returned. Too old and too slow. Mido on the other hand was good enough, but couldn't stand being held as second choice attacker behind Zlatan. Mido really behaved like a spoiled ass and there was no other choice than to send him away.

As for Zlatan, Koeman did absolutely not force him out of the club. Koeman was the one to always stand behind Zlatan and really believed in him. Koeman didn't even want to talk to the press after the Zlatan transfer and it was clear that he was really furious with the board. He also said on the press conference after the Juve game that Ajax really miss Zlatan now. (And that was also obvious in the game, Ajax could really have used a strong guy like Zlatan up front. Sonck wasn't good enough.)

But I agree with you. Until Christmas or something, I think Zlatan should be used mainly as a sub. He needs that time to get used to Juve and to Italy. After that, the ones playing best together and in best form should play. No matter what their names are.

 

[Mr. Gol]

Witsche's experience was vital though. He was a great player to bring in if you are 1-0 up. Together with Galasek he was the only player who could slow down the flow of the game.

I still don't get it why they sold Zlatan when they don't have a replacement ready. The story that Kone had health problems was clearly rubbish. That's why I think Koeman agreed on selling him. If he wanted him to stay at the club he could have easily vetoed the deal.

 

[jakobg]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++
Witsche's experience was vital though. He was a great player to bring in if you are 1-0 up. Together with Galasek he was the only player who could slow down the flow of the game.

I still don't get it why they sold Zlatan when they don't have a replacement ready. The story that Kone had health problems was clearly rubbish. That's why I think Koeman agreed on selling him. If he wanted him to stay at the club he could have easily vetoed the deal.

I absolutely do not think Koeman wanted to sell Zlatan. He has always spoken well of Zlatan and he also knew that there wouldn't be enough attackers in the squad if Zlatan would be sold. This transfer probably had a lot to do with the VDV story. I mean, Ajax didn't get even close enough money for the guy.

Why would the Kone story be rubbish? Ajax wanted to sign him, but the medical crew told them not to by him, because they found some heart problems. But, now he has been checked again and the doctors haven't found anything, so he'll be playing the next game for Roda. Crappy Ajax doctors is what this was.

As for Witschge, he was clearly not as good as in his best days anymore, and not worth paying a (probably) big salary to.

 

[Ahmed_]

There is no use of thinking of the reason behind Ajax selling Zlatan... It is their habbit to sell young stars whatever their positions in the field. They did it with kluivert and many others before and they were much better and younger than Zlatan. They will find someone to replace Zlatan in a short time and they will sell him at the right time with the right prize. Their youth academy and transfer policy are ones from the best in Europe and juve should try to know what is happening in Amesterdam to use their money in a wiser way.

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++


(sorry...don't know how to double-quote)

As much as I want Zlatan to succeed, I really want to see the DP/Trez partnership intact for this season at least with Zlatan as a sub.

But believe me, an out-of-form Ibrahimovic, which happens frequently, is a enormous burden for any team to bear. He REALLY needs to mature. If he plays a bad match he doesn't care about the team anymore and only goes for personal succes. If the team is 1-0 down he doesn't go for the easy option, instead trying silly tricks which result in absolutely nothing. He also has very bad temper and often hits opponents with his elbow.

Ibrahimovic IS a genius and probably the natural succesor to Del Piero, but he needs a lot of time to adapt. Remember that he was absolute shite the first 18 months in Amsterdam. I've been at the Amsterdam Arena many times and have often seen people almost eat their chairs out of frustration.

So just because he is new it doesn't mean that he is a world class player already. Please have realistic expectations.

well...you are saying in 15 lines what i said in 1....

 

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by Lilianna ] ++


well...you are saying in 15 lines what i said in 1....

Liar!

It's only 14 lines

++ [ originally posted by Lilianna ] ++
yes indeed...
he did and he'll be GREAT at juve,he just needs a little time

And you used 2



But I used arguments why Ibrahimovic will be good in the future. You musn't simply assume that the will be the next Del Piero. It will put pressure on him if everyone does that.

I'm still for fielding all three attackers at once after the winter, but we must buy more subs because Zalayeta alone just isn't enough. I always thought that Salas wasn't that bad, actually, so maybe we could recall him. Isn;t Sculli on loan too?

 

[Lilianna]

those lines...you have nothing better to do than counting lines...???

anyway,i NEVER said that zlatan will be the bext del piero...he won't.
but he is good enough to become a super star in our team in the future,though

 

[Desmond]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++

But I used arguments why Ibrahimovic will be good in the future. You musn't simply assume that the will be the next Del Piero. It will put pressure on him if everyone does that.

I'm still for fielding all three attackers at once after the winter, but we must buy more subs because Zalayeta alone just isn't enough. I always thought that Salas wasn't that bad, actually, so maybe we could recall him. Isn;t Sculli on loan too?

it's been a while since salas has been mentioned around here.how's he doing?

 

[desireless]

Wealthy and rich that is for sure....

 

[Lilianna]

 

[Mr. Gol]

Lilianna, calm down, I'm not ridiculing your opinion, but exactly what do you call a super star? I think a superstar is someone who Real Madrid would want at some point, a galactico. I don't think that Zlatan will ever become a superstar, but he can be a very important player for Juve.

You can't simply spit out quotes like "ZLATAN IS GREAT!!!" all the time. He isn't a proven player yet. The potential is there, but he could be the next Legrottaglie as well.

And btw, I can count lines fairly fast, but I only said that because you started making remarks about it.



And Salas is playing as a left winger in a 3-4-3 system, and he has some assists. But he's mostly injured to be honest. But he is good, and for the amount of money that we play him we could just as well use him in our team.

 

[The Arif]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++
Lilianna, calm down, I'm not ridiculing your opinion, but exactly what do you call a super star? I think a superstar is someone who Real Madrid would want at some point, a galactico. I don't think that Zlatan will ever become a superstar, but he can be a very important player for Juve.

You can't simply spit out quotes like "ZLATAN IS GREAT!!!" all the time. He isn't a proven player yet. The potential is there, but he could be the next Legrottaglie as well.

And btw, I can count lines fairly fast, but I only said that because you started making remarks about it.

Agreed.

 

[ibrah1movic]

the highlight video from juventus - atlanta is on the site now (it will be there until the next match )

cheers,
teresa || www.zlatan.8m.com

 

[Stu]

Good work, Teresa

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

Its too early to predict if Zlatan will succeed in serie A. In the next months we will see if he is suited for italian way of play...As an example, how a foreign player who performed nicely in other league but is having troubles in calcio, look at Mexes...does i remember lots of posts of people saying that Mexes was a must for the juventus, bashing Moggi for lefting Roma get him ???...look at him now. he is getting red cards and drinking lots of goals...

 

[44BigBert]

well said....
we all see that zlatan wasn't impressive so far, but we also see that he has great talent and potenial....we should give him time to develop rather than bashing on him just after 3 games.

 

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by ibrah1movic ] ++
the highlight video from juventus - atlanta is on the site now (it will be there until the next match )

cheers,
teresa || www.zlatan.8m.com

 

[dee dee]

zlatan has really showed himself as one who can be more than a handful for defenders, outheading them and hassling them. He can keep the ball at his feet most of the times. Aspects of Van Nisterooy except the all-important goalscoring and setting the play bits. Once he has these areas improved, he will be an astounding forward to have.

am pretty sure Capello sees him as more than a substitute. Part of the key rotation for sure.

 

[Mr. Gol]

You site is REALLY confusing, but it does look the part. Did you make it yorself?