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Sadomin

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Obama has already seen his approval rating drop in the first few weeks of his administration. It might have something to do with the choices he has made regarding Cabinet members or other personnel, including Tim Geitner, Rahm Emanuel, and Robert Gates. But this isn't surprising, as I would have voted for that disapproval.

Many challenges on our way. This "Economic Stimulus" plan is becoming more ridiculous by the day, a failed attempt to revive the economy that will only cause more problems. In reality, the government would do a better job just doing nothing in my view.
 

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Obama has already seen his approval rating drop in the first few weeks of his administration. It might have something to do with the choices he has made regarding Cabinet members or other personnel, including Tim Geitner, Rahm Emanuel, and Robert Gates. But this isn't surprising, as I would have voted for that disapproval.

Many challenges on our way. This "Economic Stimulus" plan is becoming more ridiculous by the day, a failed attempt to revive the economy that will only cause more problems. In reality, the government would do a better job just doing nothing in my view.
If the government does nothing, you have to consider the losses the country will face. Sure the economy will eventually right itself, but at what cost?

Are we ready to sacrifice an auto industry or a banking system in order to "make things right"?

How many people should be forced to live in poverty because of other people's mistakes?

The situation is not as cut and dry as some would make it out to be. I'm not sure of a solution, but I am positive doing nothing isn't the answer. At least not for the millions of Americans that will lose jobs if that is the course we take. It's really quite complex from what I've read and the un-American Republican party isn't helping anything by forcing their Reaganomics on the package. As if tax cuts mean shit to people without jobs.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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If the government does nothing, you have to consider the losses the country will face. Sure the economy will eventually right itself, but at what cost?

Are we ready to sacrifice an auto industry or a banking system in order to "make things right"?

How many people should be forced to live in poverty because of other people's mistakes?

The situation is not as cut and dry as some would make it out to be. I'm not sure of a solution, but I am positive doing nothing isn't the answer. At least not for the millions of Americans that will lose jobs if that is the course we take. It's really quite complex from what I've read and the un-American Republican party isn't helping anything by forcing their Reaganomics on the package. As if tax cuts mean shit to people without jobs.
The thing is, you cannot mix free market capitalism will socialism. These hybrid systems do more bad than good.

The science behind an economy is that production and savings bring about prosperity. Of course there will be economic downtrends in the business cycle as that is the natural behavior of an economy. With every five years of growth, a period of two years of decline should exist naturally for an equilibrium between markets to form. The United States has seen a period of growth for decades through a declining production economy that has transformed into a services and consumption economy. This cannot be sustained.

In 2001, we should have had a blunt recession, but instead, the stupid Central Bank lowered rates allowing even more borrowing and spending, delaying the serious downturn in the economy the country needed. These actions delayed the problems and made this sub-prime collapse worse than it needed to be. Not to mention the fact that the sub-prime bubble is only the tip of the iceberg. These problems were caused by the government and the Federal Reserve, not the other way around.

Fast-forward to today, where we have already seen about $1 Trillion free fall into oblivion in October, something that will come back to haunt us. What should happen is these companies should FAIL as they are firms that are not successful, so that more legitimate banks and firms can take over for them. This is the whole essence of capitalism. One firm that is not efficient and competitive dies, so a competitor takes it place. But what we have here is the government deciding who fails and who stays in business while not understanding why these fucking morons got into the problems they have in the first place.

Whether we like it or not, business cycles will run their course. The more the government tries to delay the inevitable, the worse the economy will become in the long run. We have seen this through the Great Depression, the Weimar Republic, Nazi Germany, and even Japan.

Printing money only causes inflation, something this country cannot handle with our massive debt. Mark my words.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Unfortunately, it will be the death of the country.

I feel sorry for the workers being laid off and my own sorry prospects of a job, but that's the reality of the situation.

Delaying the inevitable is absolutely stupid, which is what Obama will do and thus why IMO he will become a totally unpopular President.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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What people don't understand is that the government and "Federal Reserve" are trying to guard against Deflation. So while they are pumping up the money supply, they are artificially trying to prop up asset value while people lose their entire pension fund, their entire savings through the stock market, perhaps their job, and everything they once had. So once people have lost everything and deflation has ran its course, and once everyone is out of a job, that influx of money will cause prices to rise in an inflationary situation.

So what we have here is an enormous unemployment rate, people not havign enough money to reinvest into various markets, and prices for basic commodities going through the roof. People will be out of a job and have to pay record prices for a loaf of bread. This is why all these bailouts, these stupid, stupid actions by government will only make the problem worse.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Perhaps. I mean, we're about talking the downfall of an empire here. Thanks to some greedy motherfuckers who should be charged with treason.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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By the way, the DOW's bottom should be around 5000, perhaps a little less, looking at a historical chart since 1910 with Fibonacci Retracement Values, among other things.
 

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