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Jun 7, 2003
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In all fairness, Sissoko is only 22 and has been compared to Vieira for longer than I care to remember. Yea, I know comparisons like that are crap, but Vieira did not become a force until later in his 20's. What bothers me is Sissoko's price, and Ranieri's obsession with him. The price is entirely too high for someone like that.

The truth to the matter is, he is dispensable by Liverpool, and they need money to sign Mascherano (as someone here said earlier), and so they are trying to drive the price up. This is a very smart strategy. Sissoko also does not fit their system anymore, as they are done rebuilding (they have the base and are developing the young players that now have time to develop -- following the Arsenal model) and don't need a destroyer quite like that anymore. Look at the talent (irrespective of Mascherano who is on similar level as Pirlo, and thus is as perfect of a solution for a holding MF as they get -- defend, distribute, create... can do it all very well) they have been amassing in midfield, all capable of defending well: Lucas, Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, Spearing, Guthrie.

I know some of these are not DM per se, but stick with me.
So let's say you are a certain Spanish-born coach in England, and you want to retain one of the best DM talents in the world, but your ownership thinks he is too expensive. You know you can develop some ridiculous talent because you have done so in the past. You have a great mix of young and experienced defenders so you do not need a midfield destroyer extraordinaire, and you have a young and talented teenage wizkid from Brazil gaining experience to eventually take over (if you think Lucas was not bought to be an alternative to Mascherano, replace Gerrard once he is too old, or at least developed to be in rotation to give Xabi Alonso, Gerrard, and/or Mascherano a rest, then you are a fool). And you play in EPL, which is not known for its defense-oriented, well organized playing style (proof: besides some Chelsea and Manchester United players, are there any truly world-class defenders in EPL? Even Arsenal -- now, and really ever -- uses young (there are exceptions don't go throwing me under the bus for this), promising 1st class defenders who are on their way, but not yet truly world-class)

So, what do you do as such manager?
Out with the least fitting, most expensive player....Sissoko. Its brilliant!

To get something straight though before I continue: I am not saying he isn't good. But he is not spectacular. I am saying he could be. But is that what we are buying him for? I don't think so.

Hence, what we should not do, is buy him in a deal as offered to us. Why?:
A) He is not a finished product, and that's what you should get for a high-profile transfer like that
B) ...for the ridiculous price tag they ask for him.
C) We should not allow Liverpool to retain Mascherano like that (because as long as he did not sign already there is a chance to get him, I don't care how slim)
D) Juve should not appease Ranieri (and his obsession with Momo, which is well documented btw.)

D) being the most important -- Ranieri has plenty of other, cheaper options. If he wants to develop players use Marchisio, Nocerino, or buy Mavuba or some random player from central europe and hope he becomes "the new Nedved" or "the Hamsik" for half the price, make him into what you hope Momo will become and then sell him for profit to get whoever is available that will make us a great team.
*It is important to point out that besides Emo (did I just call him world-class?) and Vieira, we never had a world-class destroyer. Conte, Dechamps, Blasi (I know, I know), Toricelli, Tacchinardi....I can keep going, did well because of our strength in defense, and creativity or potency on offense -- so why do we need one now? Because defense is crap, and we are rebuilding? I am not convinced, but so be it.
**Also, development of young players in the holding MF position won't happen because Ranieri can't really develop talent like that...

Additionally, if(and when) Ranieri gets sacked, chances are Momo will not be welcomed to stay with new boss' scheme.
We'll have an older, about equally skilled, and not much better developed, expensive player on our books, who at some point did not even identify us as a great team (saying Liverpool is greater than Juventus is a joke, if you want to get into this discussion, PM me and I'll shatter your arguments), and who will potentially bully us over playing time, and wages -- this is before we even know whether he is even effective in Italian club competition. In short the guy has a bad attitude (wow truly a Vieira parallel now), potential which may or may not ever be unlocked, and if unsuccessful, he and his patron (Ranieri) will cost us a great deal of money, which can be useful somewhere else.

Its not like Ranieri will further develop him. Lets not forget he already coached him in Valencia, and he was ineffective as a player, and once Claudio got the chop, Sissoko was sold....in short this player has been Ranieri's dream for a long time, and he never panned out like predicted.

Bottom line: Sissoko is not worth the buy, yet. When (IF) he is or is close to becoming like Vieira (in his prime of course), then let's get him.

Besides he's always a liability -- injuries, cards etc.

Let's not let Momo be our new version of Appiah.
nice post...momo is too expensive and not to forget his comment that liverpool is bigger...apart from that things he could be a good purchase...liverpool wants to get rid of him so why are we paying that much?????...i think secco should be blamed and the whole management...normally when a player is not playing for its team and the player wants to go away he should be cheaper and not so expensive...look at tiago, should we sell him then we will lose lots of money..iam sure of that...
 

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Juve close on Mellberg and Momo Saturday 19 January, 2008

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Olof Mellberg and Momo Sissoko are ready to join Juventus this month, paid for with Tottenham’s £9m for Tiago Mendes.


According to this morning’s edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport, Aston Villa boss Martin O’Neill has given the all-clear for Mellberg to be sold in the January transfer window rather than wait for June.


The Bianconeri are prepared to throw in £700,000 to have the Swede six months in advance, but no more than that.


If Villa ask for more, then Juve could drop the matter and wait until the summer when he will be out of contract.


A defender is needed immediately, as Jorge Andrade has been joined on the long-term injury list by Giorgio Chiellini, who will be out for at least a month with a knee problem.


Claudio Ranieri’s side will not be scrambling around for spare cash, as it is also suggested in today’s British newspapers that Tottenham are prepared to pay £9m for flop Tiago.


The former Chelsea midfielder has been a disaster since joining the side from Lyon in the summer and blew his last chance when Ranieri admitted he was “disappointed” in his performance in the 5-3 Coppa Italia win over Empoli midweek.


That money would immediately be reinvested in his replacement during the January transfer window, as Liverpool’s Sissoko is desperate to join the Turin giants.


It is rumoured the Reds want £10m, whereas Juve are biding their time and hope to snatch him for £7m in the final hours before the deadline.


They have already agreed a four-year contract with the player worth £1.9m per season.


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Mar 30, 2006
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I personally like Sissoko. I would be happy if we signed him for around 7 million.

I think he is good at what he does and will only get better. He would fit in well with his tenacity and hard running. He works his socks off and that is what Ranieri demands of his players.

I could easily seeing us playing a 3 man midfield of:

Marchisio-----Sissoko-----Nocerino

and having tremendous success with it over the years.


People might find the lack of creativity disturbing but Marchisio and Nocerino are fairly effective in both offense and defense and with the possible signing of Diego/VDV and return of Giovinco I am not concerned.

I think if Sissoko does come here it will be like when Iaquinta came here and many people on the forum trashed him and had their words shoved back down their throat when he preformed brilliantly. Or at least I hope that is what happens.

:pint:
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I personally like Sissoko. I would be happy if we signed him for around 7 million.

I think he is good at what he does and will only get better. He would fit in well with his tenacity and hard running. He works his socks off and that is what Ranieri demands of his players.

I could easily seeing us playing a 3 man midfield of:

Marchisio-----Sissoko-----Nocerino

and having tremendous success with it over the years.


People might find the lack of creativity disturbing but Marchisio and Nocerino are fairly effective in both offense and defense and with the possible signing of Diego/VDV and return of Giovinco I am not concerned.

I think if Sissoko does come here it will be like when Iaquinta came here and many people on the forum trashed him and had their words shoved back down their throat when he preformed brilliantly. Or at least I hope that is what happens.

:pint:
You obviously havent watched enough of Sissoko..he doesnt have the positional sense to be a holding midfielder..his style is running after players..and his main attribute is his stamina.

And i have to disagree that Nocerino is effective offensively..his passing and distribution is sloppy at best..and his technique isnt really something to write home about
 
Mar 30, 2006
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You obviously havent watched enough of Sissoko..he doesnt have the positional sense to be a holding midfielder..his style is running after players..and his main attribute is his stamina.

And i have to disagree that Nocerino is effective offensively..his passing and distribution is sloppy at best..and his technique isnt really something to write home about
i think Nocerino is not too bad offensivly but your comment about sissoko maby true but he is only 22 he will get better.
 

Jim_Boi

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Oct 7, 2007
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Secco And Blanc In England For Sissoko And Mellberg

According to Italian daily 'Corriere dello Sport', Juventus director of sports Alessio Secco and general manager Blanc are in England to sign two important players: Sissoko and Mellberg.

Apart from trying to sell Tiago to Tottenham, Juventus have other important objectives in their expedition to England. Coach Claudio Ranieri has demanded immediate reinforcements in order to continue the race towards a Champions League spot, so new signings are a must.

With the Scudetto dreams now all but faded away, the Bianconeri's main target becomes that of qualifying to the Champions League via a top-four spot. However, Ranieri believes that some new blood is needed to secure this objective.

Therefore Sissoko and Mellberg have become top priorities, with the latter being available for just 1m Euros, since he will be a free agent in June.

Juventus are also following Italian players, and two possible targets could be Parma's Cigarini and Empoli's Raggi, with the possibility of signing either one of them during this transfer window.

goal.com
 

Amaurisimo

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Dec 8, 2007
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i think if Sissoko fails with us like Tiago, Ranieri will be sacked ...
1st Ranieri did not buy either Almiron or Tiago.
2nd I would be 1st for Ranieri to go if we dont improve and dont get CL spot.
3rd Sissoko can not be as bad as Tiago..
This is clip just from one Momo's game. Tiago never done anything like this in all of his matches combined.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oa4N-ypfPGw
 
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