Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread (32 Viewers)
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I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the way he tries to make his point, which is nothing short of pathetic. He even raced to lookup my IP in hope that another country would come up, but that only proved one thing, he was totally talking out of his ass and doesn't know the first thing about me. So why is he listing people like me and talking about them in a disrespectful manner?
No! The purpose of these tournaments is not for nationalism, but it's a competition between each nation's [SIZE="4"]FOOTBALL[/SIZE]. whose football is stronger, and not whose nation is stronger or better.. So you don't need a passport to support these nations, you just have to be fan of their football style..
Just like NT presents Nation's sport/football, clubs also presents those cities in the local league, and nations in Europe.
Just like NT presents Nation's sport/football, clubs also presents those cities in the local league, and nations in Europe.
Moreover, I love it how a guy from Tibet, when referring to the Italian National team, calls the entity "us" or "we."
"We can beat France in the Final, guys!"
You see, "we" here doesn't work, because it means that he is Italian.
Some guy from Tibet who has never been to Italy is not Italian, and hence "we" is incorrect, an hence why his support might be incorrect if you're that extreme.
"We can beat France in the Final, guys!"
You see, "we" here doesn't work, because it means that he is Italian.
Some guy from Tibet who has never been to Italy is not Italian, and hence "we" is incorrect, an hence why his support might be incorrect if you're that extreme.
Yeah, like even I can't figure out who to support between Argentina and Brazil because they both play the "beautiful game."
You're sugar coating this snoop. Just admit it already.
Let's just cut this crap, and each to his own opinion.
Yeah, that takes the cake.
Probably a stab at me, but I don't care, I'm proud to support my own national side because it makes me look better than someone who supports Italy just because they're good.
And I also don't care because my team, the USA, one of the supposed "worst sides at the World Cup" drew Italy and should have won the match if the ref made the right calls.
USA. :strong:
No, it's not the same thing WHATSOEVER. Are there official titles given to people from Torino? How Detroit? I'm talking OFFICIAL here. No, there aren't, because it's one nation, under God, in freedom and liberty. It's absolutely foolish to even BEGIN to think that supporting Juventus and another national team is the same thing, because you cannot necessarily tie someone to a city other than your PLACE OF BIRTH.
Now tell me, Snoop, does Madison, Wisconsin have an MLS team? No, they don't. So by your logic I cannot support anybody. It's the same thing as international football.
When I became more than just a player of the sport, a fan, the United States didn't even have a true professional league. Therefore, I was binded to only European clubs at the onslaught. And before you say I should have supported the local amateur team, I did, because I fucking played for them.
While everybody has a country already set in place that has a team, not every town or region has a football club. That's why this scenario is acceptable to me while supporting other nations is not. Again, it defeats the whole purpose of international play because the World Cup consists of nation vs. nation, not football style vs. football style.
Sorry, but it doesn't make any sense.
You have a good National team, stop that crap Andy 
USA is improving day by day, and at least they are playing in World cup, even you play and are competitors in that "Concacaf" or whatever the name is. Well try me, my National team is one of the worst in Europe, they defend with 10 players, and probably their only goal is not to finish at the bottom of each group they participate, how about that?
Why should I watch Armenian national team? that will make me hate football (But ofcourse I would love to see them improve and join these tournaments). But this doesn't mean I shouldn't watch other teams, I do watch these tournaments since I was a kid, and that was Baggio's time, well watching him play was a wonderful thing, then I realized that I had more pleasure watching Italy then.. and that's why I became Juve fan. and until today, watching Italy (since I always and only watch Italian league) is always pleasure for me, they are the same players that I watch their league every Sunday, and that automatically makes me sympathize for them. What part of this is the retarded part ??
If Balotelli plays for Italy or not, or even Camoranesi and Amauri do or not, that doesn't concern me, even the ranking of Italy in Fifa doesn't. This year, I am not much excited like I was before for Azzurri, as I feel they are weak and not a pleasing team, so I am colder towards them. If you call me glory hunter, I don't mind at all, because I am not a true fan of Italy, I don't even watch their qualifying games, but to tell me it is wrong to like them, then you are wrong.
USA is improving day by day, and at least they are playing in World cup, even you play and are competitors in that "Concacaf" or whatever the name is. Well try me, my National team is one of the worst in Europe, they defend with 10 players, and probably their only goal is not to finish at the bottom of each group they participate, how about that? Why should I watch Armenian national team? that will make me hate football (But ofcourse I would love to see them improve and join these tournaments). But this doesn't mean I shouldn't watch other teams, I do watch these tournaments since I was a kid, and that was Baggio's time, well watching him play was a wonderful thing, then I realized that I had more pleasure watching Italy then.. and that's why I became Juve fan. and until today, watching Italy (since I always and only watch Italian league) is always pleasure for me, they are the same players that I watch their league every Sunday, and that automatically makes me sympathize for them. What part of this is the retarded part ??
If Balotelli plays for Italy or not, or even Camoranesi and Amauri do or not, that doesn't concern me, even the ranking of Italy in Fifa doesn't. This year, I am not much excited like I was before for Azzurri, as I feel they are weak and not a pleasing team, so I am colder towards them. If you call me glory hunter, I don't mind at all, because I am not a true fan of Italy, I don't even watch their qualifying games, but to tell me it is wrong to like them, then you are wrong.
I think I get what vSnoop is talking about. The problem seems to be that you are viewing the issues from two different perspectives.
If you say you support Juve because there basically wasn't any local professional football being played than your club level dilemma may reflect the national side dilemma of some other guy. I mean you were talking about someone from Tibet. Now when will that guy ever get the chance to support his "local" team in a big tournament like the WC or Asian Cup even? He faces the same dilemma you faced.
I don't know why you think it is unacceptable to support a nation different from your nationality at a sporting event (especially when your home nation is not competing, which is prolly the case for quite a few people here). It's not a war, you know? If you even care a little about the sport you would favor one team or the other simply because of how they play or who is playing for them.
In addition, many nations don't have that bold patriotism that tells them to support their own nation or no nation at all (which is what you are suggesting if I'm correct).
Edit: Not everybody has the luxury to have a national team that competes at the highest level. That doesn't mean that those football enthusiasts have to be completely uninvested in events such as the EURO. Cheering for a team makes it more exciting and is only natural. You can bet that they would cheer alot harder if their national side was in Italys place, but since it isn't, they're cheering for their second favorite. Nothing wrong with that.
If you say you support Juve because there basically wasn't any local professional football being played than your club level dilemma may reflect the national side dilemma of some other guy. I mean you were talking about someone from Tibet. Now when will that guy ever get the chance to support his "local" team in a big tournament like the WC or Asian Cup even? He faces the same dilemma you faced.
I don't know why you think it is unacceptable to support a nation different from your nationality at a sporting event (especially when your home nation is not competing, which is prolly the case for quite a few people here). It's not a war, you know? If you even care a little about the sport you would favor one team or the other simply because of how they play or who is playing for them.
In addition, many nations don't have that bold patriotism that tells them to support their own nation or no nation at all (which is what you are suggesting if I'm correct).
Edit: Not everybody has the luxury to have a national team that competes at the highest level. That doesn't mean that those football enthusiasts have to be completely uninvested in events such as the EURO. Cheering for a team makes it more exciting and is only natural. You can bet that they would cheer alot harder if their national side was in Italys place, but since it isn't, they're cheering for their second favorite. Nothing wrong with that.
And for this same exact reason I find it funny these "we should bring more Italians to Juve" says, or those who talk about Juve tradition, culture, like they are born there, or know what those words mean. Don't you guys see the rivalry between the north clubs of Italy and south, Romans versus the north. This is why I am comparing the club with nation, they are the same in the end. Some of you want to see the your neighborhood better than the other, your city better than the other, or your country. In the end, the reason is the same, if you say supporting national team is a must, then the same should be applied to your local club, that's your logic, not mine..
Football fans don't support clubs or nations for these cultural reasons, but because it's a sport in the end.. God this isn't going anywhere, I think everyone made his point, we are just disagreeing with each others, and it's not going to stop.
Football fans don't support clubs or nations for these cultural reasons, but because it's a sport in the end.. God this isn't going anywhere, I think everyone made his point, we are just disagreeing with each others, and it's not going to stop.
You have a good National team, stop that crap Andy USA is improving day by day, and at least they are playing in World cup, even you play and are competitors in that "Concacaf" or whatever the name is. Well try me, my National team is one of the worst in Europe, they defend with 10 players, and probably their only goal is not to finish at the bottom of each group they participate, how about that?
USA is improving day by day, and at least they are playing in World cup, even you play and are competitors in that "Concacaf" or whatever the name is. Well try me, my National team is one of the worst in Europe, they defend with 10 players, and probably their only goal is not to finish at the bottom of each group they participate, how about that?
The general opinion around Europe at least is that we suck, so that's where I'm coming from. Our failure to be big on the World Stage is partly why people flock to the Azzurri, Brazil, Argentina etc. I even know some US fans who instead support England. :sick:
I was amazed by Baggio as well at my age of 9 back then. Had his shoes and everything. You could certainly say that I was a fan of the Azzurri in that tournament because it was just amazing watching those guys play at that age. Perhaps like you, that was THE FIRST time I ever saw such top class players play, and it changed my life, or at least brought me into European football.
But then I realized that I had to support my own nation, yet I still respect the Azzurri, like them quite a lot, and thank them for giving us Baggio.
I'm not saying you can't sympathize with the Azzurri, Snoop.
It's not wrong to like them, Snoop. But, at least in my case, I think it's wrong to support them, which is something I cannot do.
Imagine what would have happened this past summer if I started to support Italy after 1994 and also supported the US. I wonder which team would have received "more" support and I wonder which one I would have let down.
But you're forgetting that the Tibetan does have a national team... it's called the People's Republic of China NT.
And why exactly do you NEED (whatever that means) to support an actual team in the Euros?
If you're a true football fan, you'll enjoy watching the Euros without supporting a nation. I'm not supporting any nation in the Euros yet I'm still having a great time watching the matches.
And why exactly do you NEED (whatever that means) to support an actual team in the Euros?
If you're a true football fan, you'll enjoy watching the Euros without supporting a nation. I'm not supporting any nation in the Euros yet I'm still having a great time watching the matches.
There's no need, but there's also nothing wrong with supporting one nation or the other. I mean nobody feels equally about all 16 participating nations, it's only natural that they'd want one of them to win more than another.
Oh no, Tibet does have a national team of their own, but like I said, it'll be quite a while until we'll see them at a big tourney like the WC (especially since they're not recognized by the FIFA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_national_football_team
Oh no, Tibet does have a national team of their own, but like I said, it'll be quite a while until we'll see them at a big tourney like the WC (especially since they're not recognized by the FIFA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_national_football_team
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