Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread (17 Viewers)

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Stu

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Donadoni is a lucky man, being able to choose from Di Natale, Cassano and Del Piero. Obviously I'd like DP to start for personal reasons but you really can't go wrong with any of those three.
 

Azzurri7

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Donadoni is a lucky man, being able to choose from Di Natale, Cassano and Del Piero. Obviously I'd like DP to start for personal reasons but you really can't go wrong with any of those three.
Probably not that wrong. But you're taking a bigger risk playing Di Natale and keeping Ale on the bench.
 

Dostoevsky

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Calcio Debate: Bravo Donadoni & Forza Cassano

Roberto Donadoni has named his 24-man provisional squad for Euro 2008. Carlo Garganese praises The Don for the choices he has made…

Almost every Azzurri fan that I have spoken to, since Roberto Donadoni announced his provisional squad yesterday afternoon, has shared my own opinion that the coach has selected a great set of players for Euro 2008.

Sometimes football can be over-complicated, and this can be seen by some of the shocking absentees from the other national teams competing in the finals. Marco Van Basten has done his best to weaken Holland by alienating and forcing the exclusion of Mark van Bommel and Clarence Seedorf. France’s Raymond Domenech has done the same by leaving out the prolific David Trezeguet from his preliminary squad, while it wouldn’t surprise me to see Philippe Mexes and Sebastien Frey axed from the final party too.

Donadoni has, on the whole, picked the best who were available to him. Some will say that Antonio Cassano is a gamble given his volatile temperament, however on pure talent alone he is up there with anyone in Europe. He also provides a creative spark, the flair and ability to dribble past players that no one else, except perhaps Mauro Camoranesi, offers.

There are still doubts whether Cassano, or Del Piero, can fit into Donadoni’s 4-3-3 system, or whether either are disciplined enough to help out defensively off-the-ball, and this is my main concern. The former will probably adapt much more easily than the latter. Having said this though, few can argue that Italy now have the best array of forwards in the tournament.

My only slight criticism of Donadoni is the exclusion of Pippo Inzaghi, a player who is in red-hot form, having scored 10 goals in his last seven games. If I was in charge I would have taken SuperPippo as Luca Toni’s deputy, although I can understand the tactician’s reasoning for leaving him at home. First of all Inzaghi is never going to start ahead of, or alongside Toni, so therefore he would only be utilised as a super-sub, or in the event of an injury to the Bayern Munich man. The Don obviously feels this narrows down his options.

Secondly in case he did have to replace an unavailable Toni, would Inzaghi fit in well with those Italy players around him? During his veteran years the 34-year-old has always prospered at Milan when he has had both Kaka and Seedorf playing behind him. When one or both of these creative forces were missing, he has invariably struggled, as the replacements were not intelligent enough to pick out his killer runs. The Azzurri midfield is far more pragmatic than the Milan of Kaka and Seedorf, and Donadoni obviously feels that Inzaghi's strength's won't shine through.

Nevertheless, Borriello is still relatively unproven, despite scoring 19 goals in Serie A this season for Genoa. He has only made two substitute appearances for Italy, has virtually no experience in Europe, so whether he can be trusted to lead the line for the Azzurri is hugely debatable. He is also in poor form, having scored just once since the end of March, and failing to hit the back of the net in each of his last five games.

The midfield virtually picks itself - no complaints there. The player that will be excluded from the squad, barring any late injuries, will undoubtedly be either Alberto Aquilani or Riccardo Montolivo. The latter, despite a generally poor campaign, is in much better form out of the two, but he is still the favourite to be axed.

Donadoni has picked only seven defenders, but these are players with excellent versatility, which thus makes up for the lack of numbers. The exclusion of Massimo Oddo is the right one as he has barely played for the past six weeks due to injury. The only question Donadoni has to answer is whether Marco Materazzi should be in the starting XI. Perhaps the friendly against Belgium next week will reveal more to us about the coach’s ideas.

As for the goalkeepers, there was only one choice to make, and that was who would be third choice. Morgan De Sanctis got the nod, and although I would have preferred Francesco Toldo, or even Gianluca Curci so that he could gain some experience, it is not really that important. Third goalkeepers are rarely called upon in these tournaments, and De Sanctis’ main role will be to warm up Buffon and Amelia in training and before games.

All in all Donadoni has picked an excellent squad, and I for one am very happy. To conclude on something completely off-topic, it will be very interesting to see which member of the squad Donadoni gives the number 10 shirt to.

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aressandro10

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Jul 30, 2003
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Cassano is a fucking reliability (excuse my language). He's either going to break into tears, assault players or refs or just have a breakdown. I don't even want him on the bench, most unprofessional player EVER, will only bring negativity to the squad.

And don't even expect Don to field Del Piero from the get go, he'll stick to Di Natale because he is feeling some gay love for him or something, only reason he would pick an obviously inferior striker like that ahead of DP (this is no fan talk, anybody who's seen Di Natale choke in front of the goal when he's wearing an azzurri shirt will agree).

This is very sad to me, because considering their current form, DP and Toni could make this an extraordinary cup experience for Italy (in terms of striking ability, which is the only thing than can be improved upon from the WC06 performance).
Del Piero is honestly much more of a choker than Di Natale as far as the Azzuri is concerned. Hence why he was dropped after the French game. considering how
Italy qualifying picked up after Dp+Inzaghi was dropped for Di Natale i would say he should at least has the first option to prove himself at EURO.

Dont hastily compare players form with club and national teams. They are different type of tournaments, different coach, different position, different tactical approah, natianal teams need instant result where clubs can aford to experiment and make mistake, club can buy different qualities from other country.
 

X Æ A-12

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Just more propaganda by the English morons who control the football on ESPN.

They're just mad their country won't be there, because they have a fucking terrible national team.
Ha its hilarious how childish and pissy those englishmen get. they're just ticked off because we are the world champs and they are awful!
 

X Æ A-12

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I dont believe that cassano is going to act insane in a tournament as big as the euros. This tournament is going to define his career, im very happy he got chosen because altough he has issues his soccer skills are seriously phenomenal.

im going to go far and claim that hes going to be a difference maker when he gets to play.
Dude you need to stop dreaming. I agree Cassano has serious skills and he could be a difference maker but he is going to act out and I am extremely worried about his issues. He isn't going to just politely ask her issues to go away because its important to him. I think we are going to see Cassano in the after game highlights more than once for not the best reasons. He is insane.
 

Ahmed

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diff. players react in different ways...while Ale tends to not show his emotions, Toto shows everything he may be feeling...neither of them is a bad thing...what matters most at the end of the day is the result, and if Cassano the prima donna can score the winning goal or deliver the killer pass, I'm all for it
 

juventus1897

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Del Piero is honestly much more of a choker than Di Natale as far as the Azzuri is concerned. Hence why he was dropped after the French game. considering how
Italy qualifying picked up after Dp+Inzaghi was dropped for Di Natale i would say he should at least has the first option to prove himself at EURO.

Dont hastily compare players form with club and national teams. They are different type of tournaments, different coach, different position, different tactical approah, natianal teams need instant result where clubs can aford to experiment and make mistake, club can buy different qualities from other country.
You are right that DP wasn't in his best form the last time he wore the azzurri shirt, but you are forgetting that when talking about the EURO 08, we are talking about really big international games (except vs. romania perhaps) and DP has ALOT more experience on the international stage. Di Natale is much more likely to be intimidated by that, thus more likely to choke imo. And don't forget the current form DP is in, regardless of how good it was during his last azzurri spell.
 

malducato1

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Dec 26, 2005
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It's not like Cassano hasn't been in a big tourment. He was at Euro 2004 and played well and did not act up at all. The guy that acted up was that pezzo di merda Totti that spit on the player and got thrown out of the game and banned.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Why do you hate Di Natale so much? He is actually not that much of a choker. he has actually done a lot for the Azzurri during qualifying. He is a versatile player who has come through and scored on many occasions for the Azzurri. I definitely think Del Piero should start for the Azzurri after his amazing season which he can but I don't see how he can't play with Di Natale. I just hate how everyone here rates Di Natale so low when he has earned his position on the Azzurri.
So true, he's very underrated over here, i think he's a fine player. He's no DP, but still he's a very good player that played well in the qualifiers and doesnt deserve to be dropped.
 

Azzurri7

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He probably has earned the Blue Jersey, but he's no where up to Cassano or Del Piero's level and It would be a crime to play him ahead of them. That said, he's nothing special.
 

Ahmed

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that is really unfair to Di Natale, he has been doing very well for Italy and is a fine player...I would hate to say Ale on the bench, but di Natale has done well enough to earn a starting shirt...can never forget that magnificent pass for Toni to score the 2nd goal against Ukraine in Rome...pure class from both players
 

Fred

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He probably has earned the Blue Jersey, but he's no where up to Cassano or Del Piero's level and It would be a crime to play him ahead of them. That said, he's nothing special.
nobody said he was better than DP(see my post above). But i kind of understand Donadoni's reasoning in not playing DP despite the obvious difference in ability between him and Di Natale. DP just doesnt fit in Donadoni's 4-3-3 as was evident in many games, especially the one against France.
 

swag

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So true, he's very underrated over here, i think he's a fine player. He's no DP, but still he's a very good player that played well in the qualifiers and doesnt deserve to be dropped.
Hey -- if there's one player I want dribbling the ball who is on a run with little between him and the goal but the keeper, I want that to be Di Natale. That guy rocks at counterattack goals and scoring on the dribble.
 

Bjerknes

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Hey -- if there's one player I want dribbling the ball who is on a run with little between him and the goal but the keeper, I want that to be Di Natale. That guy rocks at counterattack goals and scoring on the dribble.
He's pretty good. But then again, sometimes I think he's overrated. Disappears from the matches I've seen with Udinese on some occasions.

While in contrast, Del Piero was basically at the forefront of most of our successful attacks this season.
 

swag

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Well, Del Piero adds so much more on the perimeter. But DP also has choked quite a few times in simple one-on-one situations where he really should have had a better touch. Overall, I would prefer DP because he's much more versatile. But Di Natale is great in a narrow role.
 
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