Obama's Middle East speech: 19-May-2011 (18 Viewers)

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    @ Reb: Regarding the maps... I guess it's better than nothing. Still not too good though.
    They are not serious in giving them back, bro. They have been saying that they will give them back to people since 1993, but settlements are being built all the time all over that land.

    It became too boring to talk about these borders as the situation on the ground is changing and these lands are being stolen on a daily basis.
     

    K.O.

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    Nov 24, 2005
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    By backing your "facts" with evidences.
    Well, you said: "there were no terrorist attacks inside Israel for years" but I assume you heard about the 2011 bus stop bombing.

    As for Palestinians selling their land, it's well known. Here, there are dozens of evidence:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

    Not all Palestinians of course, just the pussies who sold their houses and moved out to the other side of the lake.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Well, you said: "there were no terrorist attacks inside Israel for years" but I assume you heard about the 2011 bus stop bombing.

    As for Palestinians selling their land, it's well known. Here, there are dozens of evidence:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

    Not all Palestinians of course, just the pussies who sold their houses and moved out to the other side of the lake.
    First, I never claimed that there was no attacks on Israel since years. And I'll be lying if I claim that I don't condone attacks on Zionist army But I said that there was no attacks by Palestinians on Israeli civilian buses (random bombings) since years. The one you mentioned no Palestinian movement claimed its responisibility ever.

    The refugees that you are talking about fled their houses and ran away without selling anything as a reaction for the massacres by Ergun and Stern gangs and because they heard the Arab radios calling them to evacuate their houses for few days in order to facilitate the war between the Arab armies and Zionist gangs. Even if they wanted to sell their lands, they had no time to do so. You know later it was revealed that king of Saudi Arabia, king of Jordan and the Egyptian leader had their agreement in advance with Zionists to make refugees not go back ever.

    Anyway, I'm proud to be the son of one of those refugees. We always blamed them for running away, But a human makes faults all the time. It was our bad luck that their fault was too deadly.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    No, but if we want things to go forward, we need Hamas to lose power and the Jewish settlers to be restricted.

    I said that we need BOTH. There were Jewish settlers before 80s.

    Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. You are claiming that it is ONLY Israel's fault, which is not.

    Both sides are causing harm.

    And the Palestinians were not recognizing Israel's right to exist before the 80s either. Hamas is only making the situation even worse than it already was.
    Israeli's came to a land inhibited by the Palestinians, occupied it and forced people out of their homes and out of their country. I think its very reasonable not to recognize Israel's right to exist.
     
    Jul 1, 2010
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    There is a thing Fred that we have to establish here. Do you want peace between Israel and the Palestinians?

    If you do, you would want a two state solution. In order for a two state solution to take place, you need at first:

    1)Cessation of the Israeli settlements by Israel
    2)Recognition of Israel's right to exist by Palestine

    If you truly want peace, than there is no other choice than recognizing Israel's right to exist, period.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    I don't think thats a bad idea. You're already doing well in Libya, why not start doing some good in Palestine as well :tup:
     
    Jul 1, 2010
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    You see the thing is, Israel has time and time again proved that peace is not part of its agenda at all.
    It surely has to progress from both side. Israel needs to stop acting like it does and so does Hamas.

    Hopefully, a new generation of enlightened individuals will help to solve the problem because I don't see it going away anytime soon.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    Neither do i to be honest.

    With Israel's current government, i think it is necessary for Hamas to exist. Sell outs like Fatah are doing the Palestinians no good.
     

    delrey

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    Jan 5, 2009
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    There is a thing Fred that we have to establish here. Do you want peace between Israel and the Palestinians?

    If you do, you would want a two state solution. In order for a two state solution to take place, you need at first:

    1)Cessation of the Israeli settlements by Israel
    2)Recognition of Israel's right to exist by Palestine

    If you truly want peace, than there is no other choice than recognizing Israel's right to exist, period.
    There is 3th option but its hard. All Islamic countries unite(that hard part). Wape them out.
     

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