There's propaganda everywhere, especially today in the US. They just do a good job tying it up with a bow.
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The Jewish influence in America is a bit blown out of proportion. Sure Jews own a lot and they have a few lobbyist group, but they have no more control over the government than oil or coal companies. They probably have less influence. Besides our continuing alliance with Israel, what other pieces of policy are Jewish lobbyists responsible for?
Israel are probably a little harsh with Palestinians and Palestinians should probably get their own country separate from Israel. Still it isn't that difficult to see why Jews are so angry. For centuries they get tossed around in a global game of "kick the can" and when they finally "get" a country. Some dumb ass Europeans toss them in a neighborhood where every single one of their neighbors wants and at times attempts to destroy them. I can certainly understand why Israel is so hard line and why Jews are controlling. But I think it helps to explain our alliance.
Israel are probably a little harsh with Palestinians and Palestinians should probably get their own country separate from Israel. Still it isn't that difficult to see why Jews are so angry. For centuries they get tossed around in a global game of "kick the can" and when they finally "get" a country. Some dumb ass Europeans toss them in a neighborhood where every single one of their neighbors wants and at times attempts to destroy them. I can certainly understand why Israel is so hard line and why Jews are controlling. But I think it helps to explain our alliance.
Enron, the fact that we have a whole American organization dedicated to lobbying for Israel pretty much says it all. Our Presidential candidates are deemed as "unpatriotic" if they don't attend AIPAC conferences. Where is the Pro-Palestinian lobby in this country? Nobody cares about them.
We have spent billions and billions funding and training Israel, with our weapons killing innocent civilians almost on a daily basis. We're talking huge amounts of money and lives here. Apart from that, who knows how much bearing this lobby has had in producing okays by the US to attack Lebanon, not to mention the possibility that we might aid and/or assist Israel in attacking Iran. I don't know about you, but I don't want to attack Iran for obvious reasons.
This is just too much for me. I can't support what we do for Israel because they simply aren't worth it, to be frank. Take that funding and lets rebuild our own infrastructure and stop aiding Palestinian holocaust.
We have spent billions and billions funding and training Israel, with our weapons killing innocent civilians almost on a daily basis. We're talking huge amounts of money and lives here. Apart from that, who knows how much bearing this lobby has had in producing okays by the US to attack Lebanon, not to mention the possibility that we might aid and/or assist Israel in attacking Iran. I don't know about you, but I don't want to attack Iran for obvious reasons.
This is just too much for me. I can't support what we do for Israel because they simply aren't worth it, to be frank. Take that funding and lets rebuild our own infrastructure and stop aiding Palestinian holocaust.
Whether you know it or not, we've trained soldiers from just about every country in the middle east and still continue to do so. We've put just as much money into training Saudis, Jordanians, Kuwaities, and Iranians as we have Israelis. The money we spend in Israel is rather miniscule compared to the money we spend in Iraq, Afganistan, and are preparing to sink into the revival of the economy.
I am of the opinion that Hezbollah were dumb as rocks to shoot rockets into Israel and even more low life to hide behind Lebanese civilians. Sure Israel have some pretty atrocious policies themselves, but neither side has clean hands in that matter.
It's obvious we don't do everything AIPAC tells us to do, otherwise we'd have invaded half the Middle East. Political candidates have spent no more time in front of AIPAC then they have in front of the California Teachers Union. Politicians must pander to the Jewish lobby the same way they have to pander to the union lobby, the latino lobby, and an extent the Western and energy lobbies. How many Jews do we have in Congress? How many have been President?
The truth is Israel is probably the best and strongest ally to have in the Middle East. Should we cater to their every whim? No. Do we? No, but we have given them a little more wiggle room than usual in the last 8 years. Probably a reflection of the administration.
I am of the opinion that Hezbollah were dumb as rocks to shoot rockets into Israel and even more low life to hide behind Lebanese civilians. Sure Israel have some pretty atrocious policies themselves, but neither side has clean hands in that matter.
It's obvious we don't do everything AIPAC tells us to do, otherwise we'd have invaded half the Middle East. Political candidates have spent no more time in front of AIPAC then they have in front of the California Teachers Union. Politicians must pander to the Jewish lobby the same way they have to pander to the union lobby, the latino lobby, and an extent the Western and energy lobbies. How many Jews do we have in Congress? How many have been President?
The truth is Israel is probably the best and strongest ally to have in the Middle East. Should we cater to their every whim? No. Do we? No, but we have given them a little more wiggle room than usual in the last 8 years. Probably a reflection of the administration.
To Enron's point, America can be as two-faced about Israel and the Middle East as Pakistan is about policing the tribal areas. Our government walks a fence between kissing Israeli ass in public while dumping money in Arab lands under cover on the side. It's politics, really.
I hear where you're coming from, Andy. But I honestly believe any Israeli flag waving would be run over by American tanks the moment that our Arab oil supplies are threatened. Political dogma may make good TV sound bite coverage, but it doesn't fill gas tanks and it doesn't fatten bank accounts.
I hear where you're coming from, Andy. But I honestly believe any Israeli flag waving would be run over by American tanks the moment that our Arab oil supplies are threatened. Political dogma may make good TV sound bite coverage, but it doesn't fill gas tanks and it doesn't fatten bank accounts.
I just don't get it. We are supposedly the voice of reason in the world, yet we allow the Israelis to blow the fuck out of anybody they want, much like we think we have right to do. In this country, pretty much nobody bats an eye to the Palestinians, stating Israel needs our support and it's unpatriotic to not support them, but honestly, it's wrong. The United States is supporting terror itself in the region by funding the Israelis, and I'm just not going to agree with it or condone it. Seriously, it's one of those inane hypocritical policies that the flag waivers just love to toss around. A nice big "fuck you" goes to those people.
We have trained all sorts of different people, even Afghanis to ward off the Russians (now we're fighting both of them). The amount we blew on those deals is nothing in comparison to what we provide Israel on a yearly basis. In all honesty, unless Iran, Syria, et cetera could threaten us domestically (and no, I'm not talking about petroleum here), I think as allies they are pretty worthless. Besides tactical and intelligence support, they won't do much in helping us against enemies that don't really care about them. Providing them with billions for their offense on Palestine is a waste of our money.
We have trained all sorts of different people, even Afghanis to ward off the Russians (now we're fighting both of them). The amount we blew on those deals is nothing in comparison to what we provide Israel on a yearly basis. In all honesty, unless Iran, Syria, et cetera could threaten us domestically (and no, I'm not talking about petroleum here), I think as allies they are pretty worthless. Besides tactical and intelligence support, they won't do much in helping us against enemies that don't really care about them. Providing them with billions for their offense on Palestine is a waste of our money.
Please don't compare the training and aid USA provides to the Arab world with that of Israel. Most Arab countries pay for this training in exchange for oil. How much are Israel paying?
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible
Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible
Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Please don't compare the training and aid USA provides to the Arab world with that of Israel. Most Arab countries pay for this training in exchange for oil. How much are Israel paying?
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible
Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Please don't compare the training and aid USA provides to the Arab world with that of Israel. Most Arab countries pay for this training in exchange for oil. How much are Israel paying?
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Please don't forget that the weapons that the US provides for Israel are more advanced than that of the Arab world.
You make it sound like the bias is minimal/negligible
Just count the number of US Vetos in favor of Israel for the past 30 years.
Too bad you can't be unbiased. Why do I need to go count the number of US vetoes in the last 30 years in favor of Israel? That's your job in this case. The point of the matter is that Israel doesn't really play that big of a factor in the US government. We throw money at Arab nations under the table, just like we do openly with Israel. Is it right or just that we(US) do this? Not at all. The Jewish conspiracy in the US is just that, a conspiracy. The Oil and Western Mining lobbies have way more power over legislation that AIPAC.