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pitbull

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Not everyone can buy Belotti for the 100mln buyout clause. But apparently, according to you, teams fall over others to buy him.

It has nothing to do with my hate toward typical Italian poachers that are limited but it's just the fact that teams abroad would never buy suck players. Nowadays it's more popular to play with 1 striker, and that striker would never be somebody like Belotti.

So we'll see. I'm really curious to see which club will be after him (read: buy him) this summer. Or next. And I'm dying to see if he'd make it and if he's worth even 50mln.

Don't worry I won't bury my head in the sand. If he explodes abroad and justifies the price tag I'll even make a thread saying how wrong was I.
Why? I could see him reaching Lewandowski, Higuain levels. Maybe they're slightly limited technically compared to Benzema or Suarez, but they're still crucial to their teams. There're still plenty of great #9's there, each of the best teams in Europe have one.
 

Osman

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Why would 50m be horrible? Makes no damn sense, Belotti scoring wise looks like the real deal. Have you actually seen him?

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DAiDEViL

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Belotti plays the modern role of a striker for Torino, he's a roving #9 and is supported by two wide wingers or second striker types.

I'm not saying he's the next coming of goofy Ronaldo, but he's not the next Bianchi or Pazzini either.
There was a time when Pazzo-Cassano was great to watch though :p
 

Dostoevsky

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I'm not saying he's the next coming of goofy Ronaldo, but he's not the next Bianchi or Pazzini either.
People said the same about Pazzini. They said the same about Gilardino.

Why? I could see him reaching Lewandowski, Higuain levels. Maybe they're slightly limited technically compared to Benzema or Suarez, but they're still crucial to their teams. There're still plenty of great #9's there, each of the best teams in Europe have one.
Name them.

And I bet 99% of them will be a lot more technically gifted players.

Why would 50m be horrible? Makes no damn sense, Belotti scoring wise looks like the real deal. Have you actually seen him?

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Not too many times, but yeah, I have seen him play. And I was never really impressed to say he'd be worth that much.

50mln for a one season show-off is quite a lot of money in my books. Also, like I said, his game is quite limited for todays football.
 

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People said the same about Pazzini. They said the same about Gilardino.
I'm not talking about level but style, those two are classic Italian #9s.

But of course we're not talking about your dislike for that category of players.

BTW I don't think anyone rated Pazzini all that highly, but Gilardino did have a couple of brilliant seasons as a young player in a much tougher Serie A, and several very good ones. He was a good scorer who peaked early.
 

Dostoevsky

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BTW I don't think anyone rated Pazzini all that highly.
And you're wrong. Many wanted him here while Red among others rated him highly.

And I never said Belotti is never going to score any more goals. He will. But I predict that will happen only in Serie A as I don't see him going abroad. Also, his value is overhyped based on one season and because he's Italian.

You can't seriously think he's worth over 50mln euros based on what he proved while we sold Arturo Vidal for 40mln euros when he proved to be one of the best players in the world on that position. And no, you can't get your price three times higher just because you're 23 while your CV has one season of Serie A numbers.

Patrik Schick did play less, but he is a lot more talented IMO while he's also 2 years younger. He's valued at 25mln which looks rather fair in todays market.

So, tell me, based on what exactly is Belotti's price over 50mln euros? Even worse, based on what people think 50mln would be a steal which instantly means they value him at 70-100mln?
 

Xperd

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Belotti is closer to Vieri then he is to Pazzini or Gilardino

Strong, powerful, athletic striker with high work rate , no wonder PL sides are chasing him.
 

DAiDEViL

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Belotti, to me, looks like the player that heavily relies on good form.

Like Thomas Müller for example. You play him when he isn't in form and you basically play with one man down because he doesn't really have stand out traits.

Lot's of money for a player that can't do much on his own.
 

Dostoevsky

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Belotti, to me, looks like the player that heavily relies on good form.

Like Thomas Müller for example. You play him when he isn't in form and you basically play with one man down because he doesn't really have stand out traits.

Lot's of money for a player that can't do much on his own.
Which is exactly why Mbappe has his price similar to Belotti while he's one light year ahead of Belotti in the terms of quality.
 

Dostoevsky

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Belotti is closer to Vieri then he is to Pazzini or Gilardino

Strong, powerful, athletic striker with high work rate , no wonder PL sides are chasing him.
Diego Costa is a lot better in the box. They also use wingers plus they bought Batshuayi.

Rashford is different and United had Ibra.

City has Gabriel Jesus and Aguero plus some more kids.

Arsenal uses wingers and Sanchez.

So why exactly do you say 'no wonder PL sides are chasing him'? I don't see anybody using such players in their team nor a see a space for him there unless Manchester gets rid of Ibra and invests in Belotti to save them, which doesn't make much sense.
 

JuveJay

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Gilardino has 188 goals in Serie A, he's 9th on the all time leading scorers list.
He's underappreciated, but as a young player people expected his career to have a higher trajectory.

I also disagree that Belotti can't do things on his own. What exactly are we talking about, anyway? Dribbling past 5 players? Blitzing past them with bewildering pace? Obviously he's not that sort of player, there is no #9 outside prime greasy Ronaldo (who wasn't a #9 then) who could do that. But he'll score a goal by himself with sheer persistence and aggressiveness if he needs to. Often he doesn't because he is in a system with service.

Still, there is certainly question marks against any longevity at this early stage.
 

pitbull

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People said the same about Pazzini. They said the same about Gilardino.



Name them.

And I bet 99% of them will be a lot more technically gifted players.



Not too many times, but yeah, I have seen him play. And I was never really impressed to say he'd be worth that much.

50mln for a one season show-off is quite a lot of money in my books. Also, like I said, his game is quite limited for todays football.
F.e. Suarez is a technically way more gifted player than Bellotti, but his role in Barca is typical #9. out of Lewandowski, Higuain, Suarez, Falcao, Costa and Benzema (guys leading the line for arguably the top 6 teams in Europe) only the frenchman is asked to perform in a way that Bellotti possibly couldn't with his skill-set, the other 5 are there to finish chances and do typical #9 work.

the big question is not whether he'll decide matches on his own like a #10 or #7, but whether he can keep up his deadly form and lead the line for a bigger team.
 

Dostoevsky

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F.e. Suarez is a technically more gifted player than him, but he's playing as a typical #9 at Barca, out of Lewandowski, Higuain, Suarez, Falcao and Benzema (guys leading the line for top 4 teams in Europe) only the latter is asked to perform in a way that Bellotti possibly couldn't with his skill-set.
Belotti would never fit into Barca either way. Suarez and Messi are capable of playing upfront cause they can do it all.

As for the second part, I strongly disagree but I guess there's no point arguing because all those names are much better with the ball control and have much higher skillset bar maybe Higuain who would I still easily pick over him. We'll just agree to disagree I guess.
 

pitbull

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Belotti would never fit into Barca either way. Suarez and Messi are capable of playing upfront cause they can do it all.

As for the second part, I strongly disagree but I guess there's no point arguing because all those names are much better with the ball control and have much higher skillset bar maybe Higuain who would I still easily pick over him. We'll just agree to disagree I guess.
he's not on their level technically, doesn't have the greatest shooting technique, the softest first touch or the experience, but he makes up for it with sheer hunger and aggressivity, he didn't outscore Higuain and Icardi (both valued over 50m) while playing for Torino by being a mediocre 25m player.
Suarez can create shit on his own, but it's not his task anymore, Neymar and Messi now create space out of nothing, he's pretty much a typical #9, any of the guys I mentioned could do the role at Barca and wouldn't look out of place. of course, not many of them have the balls of Suarez
 

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Higuain costed 96m
Lukaku costs like 90m
Kane costs like 100m
An 18 year old (Mbappe) is quoted at like 120m
Icardi just recently was said to be 110m by the media
A player with 0 minutes in professional football (Vinicius Jr.) costed some 45m

Belotti for 50m would be absurd. Which is why that is not what he costs and clubs offer more, and Torino holds for more.
 

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he's not on their level technically, doesn't have the greatest shooting technique, the softest first touch or the experience, but he makes up for it with sheer hunger and aggressivity, he didn't outscore Higuain and Icardi (both valued over 50m) while playing for Torino by being a mediocre 25m player.
Suarez can create shit on his own, but it's not his task anymore, Neymar and Messi now create space out of nothing, he's pretty much a typical #9, any of the guys I mentioned could do the role at Barca and wouldn't look out of place. of course, not many of them have the balls of Suarez
Suarez has the speed and way better ball control which gives him the upper hand of playing there. But Barca is different and pointless to take them into account. They'd never even consider Belotti for their team. I'm not saying that to bitch about the Italian but they are just totally different when they buy players.

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Higuain costed 96m
Lukaku costs like 90m
Kane costs like 100m
An 18 year old (Mbappe) is quoted at like 120m
Icardi just recently was said to be 110m by the media
A player with 0 minutes in professional football (Vinicius Jr.) costed some 45m

Belotti for 50m would be absurd. Which is why that is not what he costs and clubs offer more, and Torino holds for more.
Higuain proved he can score for Real, one of the best teams in the world, in both La Liga and CL to a lesser extent. Argentina too. His goal-scoring record was and still is crazy, while he was also one of the best strikers in Serie A for years. His price was a lot higher simply because we sold Pogba and needed a striker so they could milk us.

Kane is a great player.

Mbappe will most likely become of the best players in the world and he's actually worth the money cause he's no gamble. He's simply a beast that rarely comes in the football world.

Icardi kept proving his goal-score record and he's quite deadly in the box. He's ONE YEAR older than Belotti while he scored over 70 goals for Inter. With a good SS it'd be a terror upfront and a scary duo to stop. Luckly it's just a fucking Inter.

Vinicius Jr... I have no words to add. Weirdest thing ever.

Belotti hasn't proved shit to be worth more than 50mln worth, let alone close to a 100. Also, he won't be improving much simply because he's extremely limited player. Mbappe will keep improving and get better in MANY areas while Belotti might get a better finishing. He also has to hope not to get a couple of extra pounds cause he'd lose 30% of his playstyle due to being too slow.
 
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