No you couldn't HAVE (16 Viewers)

[Slagathor]

Well (in Holland at least) from the moment you are born; the English language comes to you from all angles in songs, movies, television and what not. At that point, you can't even read your own language yet and you have no realisation that there is such a thing as an alphabet; but you are already familiar with the tones and sounds of both your native language Dutch as well as English.

But then again; Holland is a very Anglicised country...

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

its everywhere like that

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
How is English depending on verbal learning more than any other language ?

I take that assessment from my own personal experiences in language. I was born in Sweden and my first words were swedish, but I moved to France at a very young age. My first fluent language was French. My father taught me English when I was eight years old, but I didn't have a very good grasp on it. After that time, I learned German, Spanish, and Japanese. Unitl I moved to Australia and heard the English language used frequently, I did not understand it and was unable to use it properly. I learned German and Spanish without hearing the language on a regular basis, and later in my life, I learned Catalan without ever hearing it...

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Not of those misstakes, but you do have some of your own

Elaborate Zlatan...

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Excuse me Zlatan? You never sease to amaze me.

Cease.


[/pedantic]

 

[Bjerknes]

Damn I thought that would come back to haunt me.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


I take that assessment from my own personal experiences in language. I was born in Sweden and my first words were swedish, but I moved to France at a very young age. My first fluent language was French. My father taught me English when I was eight years old, but I didn't have a very good grasp on it. After that time, I learned German, Spanish, and Japanese. Unitl I moved to Australia and heard the English language used frequently, I did not understand it and was unable to use it properly. I learned German and Spanish without hearing the language on a regular basis, and later in my life, I learned Catalan without ever hearing it...

And this makes English more depending on verbal learning because...?

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Damn, I thought that would come back to haunt me.

Serves you right for misunderstanding what I ment, and frowning at me

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
And this makes English more depending on verbal learning because...?

Because English has evolved as language to be very dependant upon the sound of the language more so than the written form of the language. There are so many different exceptions to very rule in English, the only way to really know English is to hear it enough that you know what sounds right or wrong. In learning english in that way, it becomes hard to distinguish what is right or wrong when you're writing it...

 

[Kaiser Franco]

That’s your theory ?

Ok I’ll expose mine now.

But first I should spend a few words about myself. It is relevant to know that I have a Phd in Roman, Germanic, Slavic, Swahili and Tagalog philology as well as in Eskimo neurolinguistics (only some of the 28 degrees I have obtained between the age of 4 and 13 and a half). I am fluent in 42 languages and as a member of the prestigious Académie Française I am entrusted with the duty of nominating its new members each year. I have of course the right to veto their membership as well. Those who think Sartre committed suicide because he couldn’t cope with his own theory of existentialism need to think again : the commie bastard killed himself because I refused his application to the Académie, and that’s the end of that so sell your shit to the tourists, Jean-Paul. Thanks to my excellent command of English I have been appointed as the official writer of Queen Elisabeth’s Opening of Parliament’s speech (contrary to popular belief HM doesn’t compose her own speeches). In 1944 I saved 100.000 Chinese women and children from the raping of Nanking, taking them to the Fidji Isles but not before I had defeated half the Japanese Army on my own in some of the most cruel jungle warfare battles witnessed on the Pacific front. In 1974 I saved prominent Italian journalist Indro Montanelli from a certain death following his attempted assassination on behalf of the Red Brigades by standing between him and the killers. I got shot at 6 times (twice in the teeth and once in the ass) but made it through and received the highest distinction for a citizen of the Italian Republic : the famous “croce dell’ordine di San Cafone”. All this despite having to wait 3 more years before actually being born. In 1992 I was enlisted by the Digos (the Italian secret services) to infiltrate Cosa Nostra as an undercover agent. My code name was Peppino Cazzolino and my excellent ability to mix with the godfathers incognito allowed for the captrure of Toto Riina, the Sicilian boss of all bosses. Unfortunately paid a high price for this as I had to enter the special protection programme for ex-secret agents, i.e. destroy all evidence of my previous existence, change my sexual identity (my first name is now Susan) and accept to live in a secret and closely guarded location that would make Saddam Hussein’s bunkers look like a house of cards. Although my action range is now extremely limited, the CIA has hired me to negotiate the release of Ingrid Bettancourt, who as you’d better know is held captive by the FARC guerillas in Colombia. I do this directly from my secret location and there is good hope that the Colombian “pasionara” will spend Easter with her family again. But this doesn’t have **** all to do with shit all, so here’s my theory :

According to René Ladmiral (or was it Sapir Worf or Nobili or simply Chomsky or do I actually give a **** no I don’t) there is such a thing as the “universals of language”, i.e. despite their diversity, all languages have some fundamental common features. I say he’s right and talks bollocks at the same time, because he has a pretty Eurocentric vision of what a universal is and in fact even in the Indo-European family of languages there are fundamental distinctions to be noted. Am I making a point here? No and if you thought my point was to make one I advice you to jog on. Oh yeah actually I must dismiss the nonsense Ian posted. If you’re a native English speaker you had spelling, grammar and wherewithal classes that taught you how to spell and how to pronounce it. Stick to the rules they taught you and apply them when you use the ****ing language. If you’re foreign and you want to learn English then take those same classes and if needed learn the phonetic alphabet it’s not that hard ffs. Then of course going to an English-speaking country and getting used to how the locals pronounce it will help though not suffice unless you’re happy with writing like an illiterate but isn’t this true for every goddam language, of course it ****ing is. How do you think this wop managed to learn Dutch and French? By only listening to Wim Kok or Gérard Depardieu ? And if you think the two languages have an easier pronounciantion, or one matching the spelling more than English then think a-****ing-gain. English is easy, flexible and hardly exclusive and I will repeat myself : compared to a good proportion of other languages it’s a piece of cake.

I need a ****ing break from this place. Bye

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Bye

Bye.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
That’s your theory ?

Ok I’ll expose mine now.

But first I should spend a few words about myself. It is relevant to know that I have a Phd in Roman, Germanic, Slavic, Swahili and Tagalog philology as well as in Eskimo neurolinguistics (only some of the 28 degrees I have obtained between the age of 4 and 13 and a half). I am fluent in 42 languages and as a member of the prestigious Académie Française I am entrusted with the duty of nominating its new members each year. I have of course the right to veto their membership as well. Those who think Sartre committed suicide because he couldn’t cope with his own theory of existentialism need to think again : the commie bastard killed himself because I refused his application to the Académie, and that’s the end of that so sell your shit to the tourists, Jean-Paul. Thanks to my excellent command of English I have been appointed as the official writer of Queen Elisabeth’s Opening of Parliament’s speech (contrary to popular belief HM doesn’t compose her own speeches). In 1944 I saved 100.000 Chinese women and children from the raping of Nanking, taking them to the Fidji Isles but not before I had defeated half the Japanese Army on my own in some of the most cruel jungle warfare battles witnessed on the Pacific front. In 1974 I saved prominent Italian journalist Indro Montanelli from a certain death following his attempted assassination on behalf of the Red Brigades by standing between him and the killers. I got shot at 6 times (twice in the teeth and once in the ass) but made it through and received the highest distinction for a citizen of the Italian Republic : the famous “croce dell’ordine di San Cafone”. All this despite having to wait 3 more years before actually being born. In 1992 I was enlisted by the Digos (the Italian secret services) to infiltrate Cosa Nostra as an undercover agent. My code name was Peppino Cazzolino and my excellent ability to mix with the godfathers incognito allowed for the captrure of Toto Riina, the Sicilian boss of all bosses. Unfortunately paid a high price for this as I had to enter the special protection programme for ex-secret agents, i.e. destroy all evidence of my previous existence, change my sexual identity (my first name is now Susan) and accept to live in a secret and closely guarded location that would make Saddam Hussein’s bunkers look like a house of cards. Although my action range is now extremely limited, the CIA has hired me to negotiate the release of Ingrid Bettancourt, who as you’d better know is held captive by the FARC guerillas in Colombia. I do this directly from my secret location and there is good hope that the Colombian “pasionara” will spend Easter with her family again. But this doesn’t have **** all to do with shit all, so here’s my theory :

According to René Ladmiral (or was it Sapir Worf or Nobili or simply Chomsky or do I actually give a **** no I don’t) there is such a thing as the “universals of language”, i.e. despite their diversity, all languages have some fundamental common features. I say he’s right and talks bollocks at the same time, because he has a pretty Eurocentric vision of what a universal is and in fact even in the Indo-European family of languages there are fundamental distinctions to be noted. Am I making a point here? No and if you thought my point was to make one I advice you to jog on. Oh yeah actually I must dismiss the nonsense Ian posted. If you’re a native English speaker you had spelling, grammar and wherewithal classes that taught you how to spell and how to pronounce it. Stick to the rules they taught you and apply them when you use the ****ing language. If you’re foreign and you want to learn English then take those same classes and if needed learn the phonetic alphabet it’s not that hard ffs. Then of course going to an English-speaking country and getting used to how the locals pronounce it will help though not suffice unless you’re happy with writing like an illiterate but isn’t this true for every goddam language, of course it ****ing is. How do you think this wop managed to learn Dutch and French? By only listening to Wim Kok or Gérard Depardieu ? And if you think the two languages have an easier pronounciantion, or one matching the spelling more than English then think a-****ing-gain. English is easy, flexible and hardly exclusive and I will repeat myself : compared to a good proportion of other languages it’s a piece of cake.

I need a ****ing break from this place. Bye

That's lovely. I was just trying to have a discussion about the language and you have to be a dick about it. You need an extended break from this place, I don't know why you're here anyway. Maybe you just like to mock people online because you're too slow to do it in real life...

 

[Kaiser Franco]

No son, in "real life" I'd be the guy who mocks you off for the compulsive mythomaniac you are. You may sell your rubbish to the gullible teenagers populating this forum but not to anyone with a critical mind. I presented you with a substantiated theory and you gave me "your" CV, then tried to back up a fallacious statement with more empirical bollocks. Wtf does English phonetics have to do with the terrible spelling of some of its native speakers? Why can any French speaker make the distinction between "qu'à" and "cas" or "sont and "son" but so many Anglo-saxons wouldn't differentiate "your" from "you're" and "to" from "too"? Maybe because the French do dictations until the very last year of high school? Maybe because an annual spelling contest is held each year and broadcast on national TV? Maybe because despite having 10 times as many rules and exceptions as in English they still learn them and respect them? Maybe just all of the above?

And why am/was I here? Because I am a Milan fan who couldn't care less about the honeyish conviviality and the Johnny-come-lates I'd find on a Milan forum and who instead decided to look for a more stimulating place such as a Juve forum, where I could both challenge and educate the gobbi about their team, which - and this is the only accurate and proven fact on here - I know more about than 99,9% of them.

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


And this makes English more depending on verbal learning because...?

I think Ian's just tryin to say that English is the most exposed language in the world. You learn lots of other languages like French, German (like I did) without having heard many discussions and conversations other that the ones made in class. While you have english everywhere, not just in the classrooms thus people tend to be more aware of a word verbally rather than written.
Anyways I make lots of your and you're alot, but its not coz I don't know it, its just that my typing is not nearly as fast as my thinking, thus what i say in my head is immediately typed, incorrectly.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Ian, sometimes you have to realize that someone will "put you in your place". Kaiser Franco took it a step further. He took your total lack of a response which had NOTHING to do with his initial post and demostrated just how weak and stupid your point was...all the while making us have a great laugh.

Just throw in the towel. Your Pro-Juve and reputation as the "intellect with a twist" on this forum may help your 'fan club' members keep your pedastal afloat but to avoid further embarrassment I suggest you close your conversation with Kaiser.

I'll save you from writing your "copy paste" response: Nick, you lack class..you are only on his side because he is a Milanista..don't talk to me about THIS and THAT...

A great poster once said: "Dio Cane, certa gente fa proprio pena"

 

[Turdhead]

Can I ask a question?

What the fuck have you Nick against the World ****wits have about fanclubs? Ive been here a while and I havent once seen a 'spice' fanclub or an Ian fanclub or any other. Though there is a Nick fanclub. It consists of 3 people, Pado, Vinman and Sergio. Who somewhere along the line decided they arent fucking human beings like the rest of us but some superior breed of space monkey.

Why are you guys saying crap like about this. Where the **** is the line to wait for membership to Ians fanclub? Noone seems to like Ian. Thats a completely stupid point. Maybe Kaiser is jealous that those guys that wont leave the library in case of bumping into the real world wont join his fanclub

Kaiser here is the answer your looking for? English native people have a lousy grasp of our own accent because we arent that tight assed about it. Truth is it dosent really matter when your gonna be working in tesco for the rest of your life. Most of us have trouble focusing in class due to the high amounts of drugs in our system. Recovering from so much underage sex also plays its part. England isnt that classy, lets all ****ing leave and go to 'the heart of europe'. COME ON. FOLLOW ME!!! Yaaaaaaaaaa!

Also for someone who is so anal about grammar you might want to make more use of the paragraph

Finally people. Wait for this. This is the killer. IAN IS RIGHT! hahahhaa hehe
Really, he is. The first time I or any other young english bum realises about this is when they see a red circle around it. We've been writing it our way for 4 years. WHY BRING THIS UP NOW DAMN YOU TEACHER?
This cannot be denied because remember im one of those dirty English losers

Btw im not annoyed nor do I care, but that was so much fun

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
No son, in "real life" I'd be the guy who mocks you off for the compulsive mythomaniac you are. You may sell your rubbish to the gullible teenagers populating this forum but not to anyone with a critical mind. I presented you with a substantiated theory and you gave me "your" CV, then tried to back up a fallacious statement with more empirical bollocks. Wtf does English phonetics have to do with the terrible spelling of some of its native speakers? Why can any French speaker make the distinction between "qu'à" and "cas" or "sont and "son" but so many Anglo-saxons wouldn't differentiate "your" from "you're" and "to" from "too"? Maybe because the French do dictations until the very last year of high school? Maybe because an annual spelling contest is held each year and broadcast on national TV? Maybe because despite having 10 times as many rules and exceptions as in English they still learn them and respect them? Maybe just all of the above?

Fine, English doesn't depend more on verbal learning, you're right. I guess that most be only my experience. I'm sorry that I tried to add something to this discussion. Clearly you don't want people to add to your discussion...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++
Can I ask a question?

What the fuck have you Nick against the World ****wits have about fanclubs? Ive been here a while and I havent once seen a 'spice' fanclub, a Nick fanclub (if you dont count those dumb cunts that put their name on his sig ) or an Ian fanclub.

Why are you guys saying crap like about this. Where the **** is the line to wait for membership to Ians fanclub? Noone seems to like Ian. Thats a completely stupid point. Maybe Kaiser is jealous that those guys that wont leave the library in case of bumping into the real world wont join his fanclub

Kaiser here is the answer your looking for? English native people have a lousy grasp of our own accent because we arent that tight assed about it. Truth is it dosent really matter when your gonna be working in tesco for the rest of your life. Most of us have trouble focusing in class due to the high amounts of drugs in our system. Recovering from so much underage sex also plays its part. England isnt that classy, lets all ****ing leave and go to 'the heart of europe'. COME ON. FOLLOW ME!!! Yaaaaaaaaaa!

Also for someone who is so anal about grammar you might want to make more use of the paragraph

Finally people. Wait for this. This is the killer. IAN IS RIGHT! hahahhaa hehe
Really, he is. The first time I or any other young english bum realises about this is when they see a red circle around it. We've been writing it our way for 4 years. WHY BRING THIS UP NOW DAMN YOU TEACHER?
This cannot be denied because remember im one of those dirty English losers

Btw im not annoyed nor do I care, but that was so much fun

:LOL:

Brilliant!

 

[Turdhead]

Another homosexual (and i know homosexual) trait we have around here is this:

A great poster once said: "Dio Cane, certa gente fa proprio pena"

Wooopeeee! Ive just said someone to someone in another language. Im great and they are offended.

Think about this. They either understand and get it and just think your an idiot for using old lines. Or they dont know the language and it goes overhead. Youve had a personal joke with the one other person that understands. That person quotes it as a double blow and together you are amused. hahahahahahah man that was a good one :LOL: :dielaugh: wooee.

You know something Kaiser. Go outside (the involves shutting down the computer and remembering how to get out of the library) and say this to someone who either gets it or dosent understand it.

Nick, stop studying for that 6th degree if you got a moment and try this also. This can be a fanclub get together.

 

[Turdhead]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++




:LOL:

Brilliant!

I like you Burke. I dont know why, but I like you.